Hookowl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: it's not greed to go into your bosses office and ask for a payrise based on what you're worth and what other people think you're worth But in any industry the boss pays you what he thinks your worth based on the wage structure already in place at his company. Unless of course you have shown that your job skills far exceed any other employees in the company and he doesn't want to lose your expertise. Which then reverts back to the original "what he thinks your worth" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: it's not greed to go into your bosses office and ask for a payrise based on what you're worth and what other people think you're worth Yes it is. If B&Q are losing money hand over fist, and have rules on how much they can spend, you cannot expect to be paid the same as Homebase, who have the ability to spend whatever they want. That is just plain greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonowl Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAL said: Yes it is. If B&Q are losing money hand over fist, and have rules on how much they can spend, you cannot expect to be paid the same as Homebase, who have the ability to spend whatever they want. That is just plain greed. Actually, Homebase are in financial trouble. Closing a load of stores. That’s not part of the analogy, they just are. Should have paid more to their best staff instead of letting B&Q poach them all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAL said: Yes it is. If B&Q are losing money hand over fist, and have rules on how much they can spend, you cannot expect to be paid the same as Homebase, who have the ability to spend whatever they want. That is just plain greed. No it isnt' at all Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Not sure how you come to that conclusion If I worked as a YTS at B&Q for £50 a week and did such a great job Homebase wanted me to go there for £100 a week, I'd go to B&Q management, tell them and ask them to match it It's not greed it's market value Have you ever said that it’s your dream to work at B & Q though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan48 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Probably been an answer to this 16 pages ago , and if so I apologise , but is George actually training or having any competitive games at all , even with the juniors , or just kick -abouts after training ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, londonowl said: Actually, Homebase are in financial trouble. Closing a load of stores. That’s not part of the analogy, they just are. Should have paid more to their best staff instead of letting B&Q poach them all! That makes my post better. It was Homebase paying over the odds, and paying junior staff the same or even more than proven senior employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: No it isnt' at all Yes it is. Ner Ner Ner Ner Ner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 BQ have spent time making you a good trainee now there could be several reasons why you were a better trainee than the others. You have a natural talent for slab paving You physically matured quicker than the other trainees which allowed for larger slabs being used and speed at which they were laid. Now Homebase have let you know that they are willing to take a risk on you becoming a very good senior slab paver , they can afford it and if you don't make the grade, like the aforementioned Jordan Slew, they can take the hit. You now go into BQ management and tell them the above scenario, while BQ possibly want to match Homebase they simply cannot take the risk as there have been plenty of YTS's up and down the country for multiple DIY stores that simply never got anywhere near their supposed potential. So either you take a hit and BQ win. Or you can win, homebase can win and BQ get shafted. BQ could be pretty annoyed if it's the latter, all that training that has gone on before wasted, although they might get some Homebase vouchers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, MAL said: That makes my post better. It was Homebase paying over the odds, and paying junior staff the same or even more than proven senior employees. Homebase are paying the going rate and not paying the YTS lads the same as the customer service staff at all - I've never said that at all? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, DobbinTheDonkey said: BQ have spent time making you a good trainee now there could be several reasons why you were a better trainee than the others. You have a natural talent for slab paving You physically matured quicker than the other trainees which allowed for larger slabs being used and speed at which they were laid. Now Homebase have let you know that they are willing to take a risk on you becoming a very good senior slab paver , they can afford it and if you don't make the grade, like the aforementioned Jordan Slew, they can take the hit. You now go into BQ management and tell them the above scenario, while BQ possibly want to match Homebase they simply cannot take the risk as there have been plenty of YTS's up and down the country for multiple DIY stores that simply never got anywhere near their supposed potential. So either you take a hit and BQ win. Or you can win, homebase can win and BQ get shafted. BQ could be pretty annoyed if it's the latter, all that training that has gone on before wasted, although they might get some Homebase vouchers. That's precisely it But it's not anyone getting shafted - it's just how things are otherwise people would never move jobs for higher pay/more benefits Everyone reading this would make sure they get paid what they're worth Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan48 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Absorbing as the debate about paving slabs is , is there anyone out there who would kindly answer my question . Thank-you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlZfan84 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, alan48 said: Absorbing as the debate about paving slabs is , is there anyone out there who would kindly answer my question . Thank-you . Yeah. Aisle 3. Ask for George. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredmciverslovechild Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, owlZfan84 said: Yeah. Aisle 3. Ask for George. ....and please make sure you wash your hands afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, owlZfan84 said: Yeah. Aisle 3. Ask for George. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Homebase are paying the going rate and not paying the YTS lads the same as the customer service staff at all - I've never said that at all? No they aren't, Homebase are paying double the going rate, B&Q were paying the going rate, Homebase decided to offer you double the going rate for you to join them. Now Homebase are in financial trouble, where will you go for your next piece of silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 We can all agree I've succesfully debated this issue to a win for me. 1-0 to me I win Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xxxxxxxxcxcc Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: We can all agree I've succesfully debated this issue to a win for me. 1-0 to me I win Surely you should be claiming that you have 'owned' your adversaries? Edited February 20, 2018 by Xxxxxxxxcxcc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, alan48 said: Absorbing as the debate about paving slabs is , is there anyone out there who would kindly answer my question . Thank-you . It is he is training away from main squad but not playing any games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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