Interesting comments.

[fred mciver]

According to CHris Turner on Radio Sheffield Friday, the injuries are down to Middlewood and hard training pitches.

 

He said he told Chairman about this when he was manager and said we must move.

 

Also said Carlos was not responsible directly for signings but that squad very unbalanced, laking pace etc.

[malek]

1 hour ago, fred mciver said:

According to CHris Turner on Radio Sheffield Friday, the injuries are down to Middlewood and hard training pitches.

 

He said he told Chairman about this when he was manager and said we must move.

 

Also said Carlos was not responsible directly for signings but that squad very unbalanced, laking pace etc.

 

Bloody hell !!! Even Turner can see it...

[Bigblueowl]

This thread is absolute tosh. Players get injured and have set backs.

[Northstandowl1977]

Someone earlier said he was our worst manager ever a lot of people responded with Irvine. I read earlier that if we don't beat boro clueless will have a worse win % than irvine

[scram]

I'm sorry but what Turner may have thought when he was our manager was probably irrelevant then (i'd be interested to see how he arrived at that conclusion) and it's definitely irrelevant now

 

I'd almost guarantee that the Hillsborough pitch is consistently and significantly harder than Middlewood's pitches - as will most stadium and top class training pitches be

[darra]

3 hours ago, fred mciver said:

According to CHris Turner on Radio Sheffield Friday, the injuries are down to Middlewood and hard training pitches.

 

He said he told Chairman about this when he was manager and said we must move.

 

Also said Carlos was not responsible directly for signings but that squad very unbalanced, laking pace etc.

Thought the training pitches had been relaid at the same time as the Hillsborough pitch and to pretty much the same standard?

[Luke]

everyone is missing the major point here

 

 

carlos is a nice guy

[sonofbert2]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11997637/Paying-the-price-for-the-beautiful-game.html

 

From 2015 but I'd be interested to know if there have been further studies and some of this is possibly what we are trying to do with the new team around Carlos and the players.

 

When was the last time Chris Turner was on the training pitches?  Cockwomble.

 

For anybody who really knows anything about the industry, is it better or worse to have a different training surface than matchday surface?

 

 

 

[sonofbert2]

21 minutes ago, darra said:

Thought the training pitches had been relaid at the same time as the Hillsborough pitch and to pretty much the same standard?

 

[scram]

50 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11997637/Paying-the-price-for-the-beautiful-game.html

 

From 2015 but I'd be interested to know if there have been further studies and some of this is possibly what we are trying to do with the new team around Carlos and the players.

 

When was the last time Chris Turner was on the training pitches?  Cockwomble.

 

For anybody who really knows anything about the industry, is it better or worse to have a different training surface than matchday surface?

 

 

It's really difficult to quantify - the demands on the neuromuscular skeletal system should be fairly consistent to minimise injury risk - but there is evidence to suggest that crossing different surface types can enhance injury risk - especially if those changes are pretty extreme - ie from a boggy and giving training pitch to a hard Desso match pitch

 

But you also have to factor in the huge increase in intensity the game is played at - the fitness levels of top pro's is a world away from what it was even 15-20 years ago

 

So training load across a given time, training type - recovery strategy and timings etc all have a huge role to play

 

Personally i think the training pitch would be one of the last things you would look at

 

It sounds like excuses from Turner imo

[sonofbert2]

Do you think Carlos has brought the new mob in to advance in this area or would the old mob be doing this stuff anyway?

 

Is the number of backroom staff on the team photo a normal amount in a modern club with a Desso pitch?

 

If you have one does it mean staff increases in this area?

[sonofbert2]

14 hours ago, Blue and white said:

I didn't, when the vast majority of fans were behind Carlos I got hounded to death for saying he will take us nowhere, no i've been proven right and the boots on the other foot.

Karma is a *****.

 

 

[scram]

5 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

Do you think Carlos has brought the new mob in to advance in this area or would the old mob be doing this stuff anyway?

 

Is the number of backroom staff on the team photo a normal amount in a modern club with a Desso pitch?

 

If you have one does it mean staff increases in this area?

 

 

Not really sure why CC decided he needed a mass clear out of the medical staff - they're rarely the problem at a club but often the convenient excuse but only Carlos can sya why he felt such a clearout was necessary

 

I don't think having a Desso means having a whole raft of staff to train the players in any specific way - but it's quite commonplace for upper level clubs to be dripping with staff - often too many imo

[sonofbert2]

Just now, scram said:

 

 

Not really sure why CC decided he needed a mass clear out of the medical staff - they're rarely the problem at a club but often the convenient excuse but only Carlos can sya why he felt such a clearout was necessary

 

I don't think having a Desso means having a whole raft of staff to train the players in any specific way - but it's quite commonplace for upper level clubs to be dripping with staff - often too many imo

 

Thanks.

 

I am starting to think that the decision to change the whole lot was probably taken on the basis of both politics/control and professionalism.

 

The ex employee by mouthing off has just strengthened the justification on the basis of professionalism.

[scram]

Just now, sonofbert2 said:

 

Thanks.

 

I am starting to think that the decision to change the whole lot was probably taken on the basis of both politics/control and professionalism.

 

The ex employee by mouthing off has just strengthened the justification on the basis of professionalism.

 

 

Absolutely

 

If Carlos felt he didn't have a symbiotic professional relationship then he would indeed act on that - and who is anybody else to argue really. It's his job after all and remember at the time this decision was much more agreeably received but obviously now the sands have shifted...conveniently for many of those self same people....

 

Agreed that as a professional working within football then his comments were at best ill-advised

[sonofbert2]

I'm guessing that every manager would carry out a review in this area and would have at least one person in the key areas that they always bring with them.

 

The chairman has probably been a bit naive here in PR.  Whilst sort of showimg off and us what he's done so far modernising us, pitch and staff etc in the recent team photo with everyone except the tea lady he gave the impression to some we might have gone way over the top.

 

Add to that a sudden new group of browner than average faces and a Thai bloke in the middle with 'em and you can imagine why the site xenophobes might be frothing.

 

However, if there is any truth in the Desso or Desso style pitch thing, then buying recent Premiership and promotion wimning players for their experience and mental strength might not be such a good idea if they have taken even more hammer  on those types of pitches very recently and at their stage in their careers.

 

The truth of it all is probably a bit of everything.

 

 

[Almat]

1 hour ago, scram said:

 

 

Absolutely

 

If Carlos felt he didn't have a symbiotic professional relationship then he would indeed act on that - and who is anybody else to argue really. It's his job after all and remember at the time this decision was much more agreeably received but obviously now the sands have shifted...conveniently for many of those self same people....

 

Agreed that as a professional working within football then his comments were at best ill-advised

 

There were plenty of us at the time (though probably not in the majority but the ones who could actually see the wood for the trees) who stated CC having the medical team sacked was basically yet another excuse. Got dog's abuse at the time if I recall. How the times they are a-changing. I get the impression World-class lady killer sonofbert2 won't be long before he smells the coffee either. Blind Faith (decent band in their day) has a lot to answer for. 

Edited December 18, 2017 by Almat

[Bluey9]

On 16/12/2017 at 13:26, Mr Farrell said:

 

37 million wasted so far on a squad barely improved in 3 years.

 

37 million wasted so far on an ageing squad that will cost additional millions for years in wages, and take seasons to rebuild.

 

37 million wasted so far to produce 5 shots a month, and some of the worst football I've seen at S6 in 40 years.

 

The whole medical staff sacked at Carlos's request, and injuries worse than ever.

 

37 million wasted so far and it's everybody's fault except Carlos's.

 

No hyperbole from me. The worst Manager in our history by a significant margin. 

Great post 

 

well said Mr Farrell ! 

[Socialist_Owl]

4 hours ago, sonofbert2 said:

 

 

 

The ex employee by mouthing off has just strengthened the justification on the basis of professionalism.

A bit much. 

 

Professionalism was strained the minute CC levied undue blame at the existing physios' doorstep.

 

I'm willing to grant the guy some twittered schadenfreude, considering the ignominious sacking that was more a power play than anything rooted in issues with actual physio technique.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Socialist_Owl

[dewsburyowl58]

51 minutes ago, Bluey9 said:

Great post 

 

well said Mr Farrell ! 

You didn’t mention 2 play offs,  a day out at Wembley  , you didn’t mention some of the brilliant results we have had , some of the best moments in a long time , take the Rhodes fee out of your £37 million , which seems excessive anyway and over 3 seasons isn’t that much , and you forgot some of the BEST football I have seen since our heyday a long while back , the clean sheets record etc etc , it hasn’t been as bad as you make out by a long way .