owlmanc Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, HOOTIE AND THE bobbar TU said: That’s true Apart from the odd game like Norwich and Birmingham, last season was a bit of a bore fest, mainly because Carlos went all Shaun Dyche This season some of the sexy football has returned I would use that very loosely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlmanc Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, prowl said: I'm not sure how knowing a lot of other 'top' clubs are struggling this year is supposed to help us get promoted. If other top clubs are struggling we should be taking advantage and opening a gap at the top rather than sitting in mid table. It's a bit like saying 21 clubs failed to get promotion this year so we shouldn't be too bothered that we didn't either. The clubs doing well haven't necessarily got strong squads but they have good leadership and are better as a team than the individual players. That's what we should be doing only we should be better because our individual players are better. Look at United, how many of their players would you want in our team? Same with the other clubs at the top. I've nothing against Biggs, I like the guy in a lot of ways but this article is factually correct but pointless. To me it highlights the difference what good managers can do... Wilder is getting the best out of average players while Carlos is in charge of talented players who are under achieving Edited November 10, 2017 by owlmanc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando17 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 2 hours ago, steelowl said: agree I've got concerns with parts of our team but I believe despite that it's still a top 4 team for me our problem is motivation, preparation and application I'm not sure if it's just CC, or the mental fortitude of the team we've assembled. Convinced we are good enough just fragile confidence I think that's why we go on runs totally agree,think the problem is game preparation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, owlmanc said: To me it highlights the difference what good managers can do... Wilder is getting the best out of average players while Carlos is in charge of talented players who are under achieving That is far too simplistic . Every manager has a style of play they prefer Wilder has a style of play based around players having certain attributes. Athletic, dynamic and battling qualities but also enough ability. Carlos likes out and out ability. He seems to put footballing ability above the other things and expects to win games by out footballing teams. I don't think we have a better squad than the pigs in order to play how Wilder prefers to play. Ask Wilder today and he wouldn't swap squads Give him our squad and he wouldn't do better than Carlos because it lacks the attributes he likes. The question is which style is most suited to this league and it is probably the way the pigs play because it is a lot more difficult for the opposition to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidioso Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 We will make the playoffs under Carlos, whether we win or not is debatable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baz9209 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, oldishowl said: After two seasons of going close it was always going to be difficult to achieve anything this season without some kind of change. We needed fresh ideas and impetus, whether that be a new manager, a new system, new players with different qualities e.g. pace or whatever. Just something to change things. Everybody, coach, players and fans were bored and lacking momentum. We now appear to have some small changes which appear to be making a difference. Reach looking like a proper threat going forward, Butterfield bringing something slightly different to midfield and Rhodes giving us a real goal scoring threat. We wait and see I suppose This times a million, were suffering the twice run close hangover effect and need to shake it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Lincs Owl said: You should change your name to Mr Cliché. I’ve been called worse Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlmanc Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 48 minutes ago, oldishowl said: That is far too simplistic . Every manager has a style of play they prefer Wilder has a style of play based around players having certain attributes. Athletic, dynamic and battling qualities but also enough ability. Carlos likes out and out ability. He seems to put footballing ability above the other things and expects to win games by out footballing teams. I don't think we have a better squad than the pigs in order to play how Wilder prefers to play. Ask Wilder today and he wouldn't swap squads Give him our squad and he wouldn't do better than Carlos because it lacks the attributes he likes. The question is which style is most suited to this league and it is probably the way the pigs play because it is a lot more difficult for the opposition to play against. I agree to some extent. How has wilder come to grips of the championship when Carlos has had 3 seasons in it with a massive budget and his own team and he still can't get the best out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 3 hours ago, mrbluesky said: I blame Carlos I blame teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earlsfieldowl Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 3 hours ago, full fathom five said: Barring one or two very dodgy decisions from the officials which would have seen us possibly 4 or 5 points better off i agree. A sentiment no doubt echoed by every fan in Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, owlmanc said: I agree to some extent. How has wilder come to grips of the championship when Carlos has had 3 seasons in it with a massive budget and his own team and he still can't get the best out of them. And 2 points off the play offs. There is no devine right you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlmanc Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pgmetcalf said: And 2 points off the play offs. There is no devine right you know I understand that. So would you say we are over achieving? Is our squad not good enough? Do we need to spend another £40m? The point I am making is sometimes a good manager can make all the difference and it's not all about what you spend but more how you spend it.. Edited November 10, 2017 by owlmanc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramhall Owl Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, full fathom five said: If CC would release the shackles then we could and should bury teams like Bolton 9 times out of 10. Unfortunately his over cautious approach could already have cost us this seasons ultimate objective. Absolutely, and the very poor refereeing decisions wouldn't affect the results as much. If you try and nick a win by the odd goal and a bad decision goes against you, you're stuffed. Try and win by as many as possible and we just win by a little less. Since the play off final, we've scored 3 or more only 5 times in 64 games.......compared to 10 times in CC's first season. Despite having a more defensive set up last season, we conceded the same number of goals as the previous season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Bob said: It is easy to blame officials for results or league position, I'm a great believer it evens out over a season. We are where we are because of performances, which is down to the players and manager. Utter horsehit, we are about 3yrs overdue on dodgy ref decisions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 22 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: Utter horsehit, we are about 3yrs overdue on dodgy ref decisions. Gotta laugh at Big Ron, never the team or Carlos's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Bob said: Gotta laugh at Big Ron, never the team or Carlos's fault. Never said that, the team and Carlos could be better but the officials are utter turd Edited November 10, 2017 by Big Ron's Sovereign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 52 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: Never said that, the team and Carlos could be better but the officials are utter turd Ron...You really need to let it go mate...You are right it doesn't even itself out...but EVERY football fan of EVERY club believes it should...and EVERY football fan of EVERY club thinks its to the detriment of their club.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: Ron...You really need to let it go mate...You are right it doesn't even itself out...but EVERY football fan of EVERY club believes it should...and EVERY football fan of EVERY club thinks its to the detriment of their club.. The evens out line is totally rounduns and is used to justify totally incompetent and indefensible decisions. I won’t let that go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoor Owl Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, owlmanc said: I agree to some extent. How has wilder come to grips of the championship when Carlos has had 3 seasons in it with a massive budget and his own team and he still can't get the best out of them. Perhaps it would be prudent to actually see what, if anything, Wilder has achieved at the end of the season before we go ahead and crown them? Because as far as I know nobody is giving out awards for how well a team is doing through the first 1/3 of season. My prediction is that United's strong start will keep them safe from relegation, and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlmanc Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Just now, Indoor Owl said: Perhaps it would be prudent to actually see what, if anything, Wilder has achieved at the end of the season before we go ahead and crown them? Because as far as I know nobody is giving out awards for how well a team is doing through the first 1/3 of season. My prediction is that United's strong start will keep them safe from relegation, and that's about it. I'm not saying they are going to be champions but you can't knock what he's done in the time he's been there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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