Last_Great_Hope Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 7 hours ago, sherlyegg said: TBH, I edged towards leave and voted so but now I am firmly in the leave camp. When you get the Labour supporting millionaire Hedge Fund/Lawyer Gina Miller and Richard Branson plotting to thwart Brexit. That swung it for me. As opposed to the Millionaires that backed Leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 14 hours ago, lee81 said: Anyone else remember Pob the puppet thing on channel 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 8 hours ago, Owl At Risk said: . I I actually said that the options for my children would be poorer...which is pretty straightforward given that removal of freedom of movement is a likely outcome. After all that's what the majority (of those who voted) thought they were voting for isn't it? In respect of the economic fortunes of successive generations it's beyond dispute that housing cost will keep increasing, exponentially in relation to income, not just relatively (research "the housing crisis" if you are in doubt)...and that the pensions funding gap will continue to grow with the aging population. We best not get started on the skill shortage in both public and private sectors though. I voted leave and narks me is that the consensus or argument for that was to do with immigration. In my case thats not why i voted. I want us to trade with the rest of the world. Not be dictated to by Germany and Brussels who we can amd cannot deal with. Freedom of movement is fine, but with paperwork, passports and borders. There needs to be security. As for house prices, they will rise whether we are in or out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 7 hours ago, selbyowls said: Chill out You going to get what you want utupiu no immigrants can you go and tell all the scrouging bastardx uk citizens that dont work .to fill the gap.. 7 hours ago, selbyowls said: You insult Sheffield and Wednesday Where r you from and who do you support? Maybe Leeds Selby mmmmm From mosborough. Went to my first match When I was 2. Season ticket holder since 91. Don't ever question my support for this club. Been to more away matches than 90% on here have home. Leeds, was your mouth out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dukeries Owl Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Owl999 said: Anyone else remember Pob the puppet thing on channel 4 It was just something that Carlton Palmer did to fill in his spare time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 8 hours ago, selbyowls said: Chill out You going to get what you want utupiu no immigrants can you go and tell all the scrouging bastardx uk citizens that dont work .to fill the gap.. Take your point on uk scroungers. I'd stop benefits for those that chose not to work. We all know one or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 8 hours ago, ViolaOwls said: Poorer? Yet you will vote labours socialist republic of South Yorkshire back in power in this city? This sham of a city centre, the only big city in the U.K. With no 5 star hotels, limited shopping, limited financial investments, a joke x airport and basically nothing happening here. Yet you think we were suddenly going to get rich for our kids because of what? reinvest in what us brits do best. Work hard and make it happen Decimated by Thatcherism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, F. Spiksley said: Decimated by Thatcherism. After labour had brought this country to its knees. Blackouts couldn't bury the dead, or can we not get past Maggie? shes dead we should move on, other cities did. We didn't and still havent. Anyway I've sobered up now, can't be bothered this morning. Think we all know I'm off posting labour leaflets then having a night out at a social club. Then going home dreaming of Ms Abbott Edited May 13, 2017 by ViolaOwls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, ViolaOwls said: After labour had brought this country to its knees. Blackouts couldn't bury the dead, or can we not get past Maggie? shes dead we should move on, other cities did. We didn't and still havent Her legacy continues in many respects Viola. Not just Sheffield and S.York's she carved up the whole of the UK manufacturing base , destroyed Union powers and therefore workers rights diminished - whether an employee in a union or not. She started the dismantling of our welfare state, and the impact of her approaches towards the NHS charted a course that is now irreversible (OK, I acknowledge the shitty PPI crap that Blair and Johnson inflicted on it - kicking a man when down so to speak). She was hugely instrumental in commencing the first Gulf War (fast forward to today's consequences of meddling in geopolitics in the Middle East and we have the insular mindset of UKIPpers fearing ISIS tanks rocking up on their front lawns somewhere in Stoke). Her attitude towards football was also interesting, worth looking into. In particular stadium controls ... Today the UK makes nothing, offers the world nothing other than a financial centre in London which has the first signs of exodus starting now as a result of the leave vote narrowly prevailing. Once the banks decamp to a few economic bases in European cities then do not expect the US or China to help bail our poor nation out. They won't. Anyway we can still have our Summer Fayre's on the village greens under May's stewardship I suppose. Hey Ho.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I hear what your saying. I own my own engineering company. I can 100% tell you what this country does make is a far better quality than the cheap Far East and Eastern Europe carp. Many in my industry see a bright future for U.K. Manufacturing outside the euro union. People still want to buy British Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, ViolaOwls said: I hear what your saying. I own my own engineering company. I can 100% tell you what this country does make is a far better quality than the cheap Far East and Eastern Europe carp. Many in my industry see a bright future for U.K. Manufacturing outside the euro union. People still want to buy British Quality, yes I'd agree. But once the impact on our trading ability becomes clear as a result of Brexit then prices of supplies will inevitably go up for our manufacturing base ergo price increase in our products. Fast forward a decade and you will see what little remains of our manufacturing output shift to non-UK locations. Then quality of non-UK products will increase and buyers will shift allegiance. What then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) You can't say that pal. nobody knows how it's going to work. Vw, merc, mini, Audi, BMW, fiat massive car industries your telling me in reverse those countries are not going to trade with us? just another example. Trade will work both ways. That's for sure. Junker and co will back down. They need us more than we need them Anyway got to dash, there's a que at the shop for today's mail play off supliment Edited May 13, 2017 by ViolaOwls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 What has any of this got to deal with the play offs? Oh wait F*ck all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl At Risk Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, billyblack said: I voted leave and narks me is that the consensus or argument for that was to do with immigration. In my case thats not why i voted. I want us to trade with the rest of the world. Not be dictated to by Germany and Brussels who we can amd cannot deal with. Freedom of movement is fine, but with paperwork, passports and borders. There needs to be security. As for house prices, they will rise whether we are in or out. But the leave campaign was undoubtedly headlined with 2 banners: - Control of our borders. Which we already have, with a passport controlled hard border with the entire world (apart from ROI)...the failure to administer this properly has nothing at all to do the with EU, it is has been a shortcoming of successive UK governments...Labour and Conservative. - An extra £350M a day for the NHS. I believe you when you say that your choice wasn't based on either of the above fallacies. I'd struggle to believe that the majority of those who voted leave didn't do so entirely on believing the politicians one either one of the other, or both. As for house price inflation, of you are correct in what you say. I was guilty of sidetracking from the core issues there, but I never said the generational decline in wealth and living standards is caused by in/out (it was the other poster who questioned that). What I did say is that I believe that the UK will end up poorer out than it would have done in. Interestingly I never precised "poorer" in economic terms. For me there is much more to wealth than finance, for example cultural and environmental health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, ViolaOwls said: You can't say that pal. nobody knows how it's going to work. Vw, merc, mini, Audi, BMW, fiat massive car industries your telling me in reverse those countries are not going to trade with us? just another example. Trade will work both ways. That's for sure. Junker and co will back down. They need us more than we need them Anyway got to dash, there's a que at the shop for today's mail play off supliment "Nobody knows how its going to work" So you are happy that the brexiteers lumped the house all on red then? History gives us some valuable lessons and so do simple supply and demand economic principles. We might all want to own a bimmer or a an E-class but we won't be able to afford one once the car manufacturers decide to get supplies from non-UK parts manufacturers.... ... and of course the inevitable impact of pound v Euro rates in a a few years being tipped in favour of EU member states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViolaOwls Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, F. Spiksley said: "Nobody knows how its going to work" So you are happy that the brexiteers lumped the house all on red then? History gives us some valuable lessons and so do simple supply and demand economic principles. We might all want to own a bimmer or a an E-class but we won't be able to afford one once the car manufacturers decide to get supplies from non-UK parts manufacturers.... ... and of course the inevitable impact of pound v Euro rates in a a few years being tipped in favour of EU member states. There's a big world out there. the Euro zone is in meltdown already. Mark my words it will be doomed within 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, ViolaOwls said: There's a big world out there. the Euro zone is in meltdown already. Mark my words it will be doomed within 10 years I don't know Viola. There's a few outliers like Greece. Turkey are utterly bonkers and nowhere near joining. France has taken big steps away from the precipice and others like Spain, Italy, Portugal could never go it alone in a million years. EU is going to become stronger and much more influential globally than it ever has been. We have made a big mistake based on a whim of a Tory PM (Cameron trying to prove a point) and another old Etonion fanny (Johnson) wanting the limelight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 It can't be the daily Snail, they didn't mention St Theresa and "Strong and stable" once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodytheowl Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Mr. Tom said: Quick and dirty, I'm sure someone can do far better. edit: ugh, not sure where the grey border has come from, saved it as a transparency. Ah well. While you're at it could you do one for the Rimbelows bird who presented the trophy (Tracy?) Surely her face should pop up when anyone types 'good luck' or GL Edited May 13, 2017 by goodytheowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Internationowl said: Roll up! Roll up! bigthinrob is at it again! The world famous bigthinrob! On his world famous preaching soapbox! The best in the business! He puts things in 'these' he puts things in "those". He'll preach about preaching then get all preachy if you suggest that he preaches atop his preaching horse.. Roll up! Sloppy, lazy, personal attack, from someone devoid of any cogent argument who is incapable of arguing the pros & cons of the issues in question. You used the 'Preachy' angle once before and sloped off with your tail between your legs. Remember?? Present your argument (if you A:- have one and B:- are capable of presenting it) rather than taking the Yah Boo route more suited to the playground, or a constituency Labour Party meeting. If you think you're up to it, i'll debate any subject with you at any time, bring it on fella. I also thought the mantra on here was "debate the post not the poster", or does that only work one way depending on shade of political opinion. One last thing whilst on the subject of 'Preaching'. Just check out which shade of opinion originally hijacked this thread, originally about an article about our team into a debate about newspapers and the 'vile' Daily Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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