gurujuan Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I don't get the obsession we have with wanting strikers that have plenty of pace. Any striker who is rapid AND also knows where the back of the net is will be playing in the Premier League or will be far out of our price range. You can make up for lack of pace by keeping the ball and playing the right pass at the right time to someones feet. Something that we seem to be completely inept at once we cross the half way line I would go along with that but we probably need to change the shape. We don't need two ponderous strikers when we could strengthen the midfield. When we've tried to accommodate Stevie May, we seem to have surrendered that control we had over matches. If we are going with a more conventional 442, then I do think one of the forwards has to have pace, as we won't be building through the midfield quite so often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_owl_92 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I would go along with that but we probably need to change the shape. We don't need two ponderous strikers when we could strengthen the midfield. When we've tried to accommodate Stevie May, we seem to have surrendered that control we had over matches. If we are going with a more conventional 442, then I do think one of the forwards has to have pace, as we won't be building through the midfield quite so often I think we should change the shape as well. Certainly at home to give us more of an attacking edge. Don't mind getting draws away but at home we should be trying to threaten teams more rather than worry about what they're going to throw at us. I'm not going to slag off Gray or the players because they do look like they're trying. I just think we need to freshen things up a bit. Change the formation, try a few different players or in an ideal world bring a couple of new players in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-owls Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 "He scored 30 goals last year" Have you seen his goals? Scuffed shots, deflected efforts and some real car crash goalkeeping for a crap team in a crap league. Not the answer and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 "He scored 30 goals last year" Have you seen his goals? Scuffed shots, deflected efforts and some real car crash goalkeeping for a crap team in a crap league. Not the answer and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Just seen the news,what's he doing running into Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marconi Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Just seen the news,what's he doing running into Cameron Beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Can we scapegoat Maghoma next please? He's had an easy ride since Carlton Palmer moved abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler66 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Beat me to it! glad you put a photo up,looks like he's been working on his pace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marconi Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) I'm a big Stevie May fan BTW. Works hard, attacks space, He will be a hero I'm sure. Edited October 27, 2014 by marconi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Bit silly to refer to him as a scapegoat. The issue is simply that he seems to be untouchable. He is hands down our worst first team regular. By a country mile too! I'm not saying he won't get there, but he's absolutely nowhere near at the moment. We can blame the midfield if you want, and nobody is saying we have that area sewn up by any means, but Maguire/Nuhiu/Madine/GTF/Drenthe/Maghoma all look so much more capable than May, and they're in the same team! So why are they all shuffled about, while May plays the full 90+ week in week out, regardless of how terribly he plays? That's where the frustration (scapegoating) comes from. MAY OUT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) I'd probably be saying similar things about Hope if he played every minute, by the way. So it's nothing personal. May just needs looking after a bit, and easing in rather than being thrown in at the deep end. As others have said, he's taken a bit step up from scoring 30 goals for a pub side, to struggling to get a kick against defenders that won't let him take 3 touches to bring it under control, then have a think about what to do next. Edited October 27, 2014 by George Whitebread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 As a midfielder when you get the ball you should look up and see your striker/s on the toes of the centre backs or the shoulder of the full back. Not stood next to you. There lies the "problem" with Stevie May. Positionally AWOL. It's just a case of deciding if it's his fault or Gray's. Seemed to get himself in plenty of good positions in Scotland.How can May even be judged yet? He's feeding on scraps- and that's being generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Bit silly to refer to him as a scapegoat. The issue is simply that he seems to be untouchable. He is hands down our worst first team regular. By a country mile too! I'm not saying he won't get there, but he's absolutely nowhere near at the moment. We can blame the midfield if you want, and nobody is saying we have that area sewn up by any means, but Maguire/Nuhiu/Madine/GTF/Drenthe/Maghoma all look so much more capable than May, and they're in the same team! So why are they all shuffled about, while May plays the full 90+ week in week out, regardless of how terribly he plays? That's where the frustration (scapegoating) comes from. MAY OUT!!! Load of rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Load of rubbish How is it? We lose possession pretty much every time the ball goes to him. He just dwells then loses it, panics and waves a foot hopefully, or doesn't even get there. At least with the others, we retain possession occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 How is it? We lose possession pretty much every time the ball goes to him. He just dwells then loses it, panics and waves a foot hopefully, or doesn't even get there. At least with the others, we retain possession occasionally. He's a goalscorer. He's not a target man (Heskey)- he's a finisher (Owen/Fowler- no I'm not saying he's of that standard). He's getting no service and is clearly being asked to work his knackers off defensively rather then sitting on the shoulder of the last defender. When he gets the ball in and around the bow tie the ball at his feet he is ambitious and sharp but that rarely happens.He'll take a way higher percentage of his chances than any other striker in our books, given opportunities but at the moment he's being starved. He's the least of our problems offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 He's a goalscorer. He's not a target man (Heskey)- he's a finisher (Owen/Fowler- no I'm not saying he's of that standard). He's getting no service and is clearly being asked to work his knackers off defensively rather then sitting on the shoulder of the last defender. When he gets the ball in and around the bow tie the ball at his feet he is ambitious and sharp but that rarely happens. He'll take a way higher percentage of his chances than any other striker in our books, given opportunities but at the moment he's being starved. He's the least of our problems offensively. Probably sums it up, he's the least of our problems offensively None are really up to doing the business in this division, but of the four, yes he's the most likely to get a goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marconi Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 This: He's been found out now. Gray tryed. it didnt work. Drop him. Tryed? I smell pork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) He's a goalscorer. He's not a target man (Heskey)- he's a finisher (Owen/Fowler- no I'm not saying he's of that standard). He's getting no service and is clearly being asked to work his knackers off defensively rather then sitting on the shoulder of the last defender. When he gets the ball in and around the bow tie the ball at his feet he is ambitious and sharp but that rarely happens. He'll take a way higher percentage of his chances than any other striker in our books, given opportunities but at the moment he's being starved. He's the least of our problems offensively. Sorry, but I can't agree with the last statement at all. He's a massive part of the problem. He's doing nothing for us, whatsoever. He's being starved because we're not good enough to put it on a plate for him. That's true. And he would put more away than anyone else. So what though. That's nit going to change any time soon. Edited October 27, 2014 by George Whitebread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Basically, we can't afford the luxury of a poacher that can't retain possession or join on with anything else. I have every confidence that it'll come in time. We're just asking too much of him. As a short term measure. We need to let the more capable (today!) players onto the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 May isn't the problem at all, its a step up for him in the Championship and lets face it with our attacking credentials even the top strikers would struggle in our team. 11 goals conceded in the league. Best record in the Championship at the minute. 11 goals scored in the league. Only Blackpool have scored less. ^^^^^^^ THAT'S the problem. Imo We've not had a decent midfield since we had Brunt, Whelan and a fit Steve Watson in the team. Ever since we've been reliant upon loan signings, set pieces and huge slices of luck. We need a winger so we can move Maguire up front and we need an attacking center midfielder. Whilst we're at it get shut of McCabe and Corry etc Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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