Eastern Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 We didnt lose 5-0 at Leicester. It was 3-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumboldowl Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Got to give him until the new year. If we get >10 points from the rest of November and December then he should be given the the transfer window and rest of season. If we get less than 8 points, and performances have got worse, then you can look at sacking him. What if we get nine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Surviving by the skin of our teeth would be a relief but it would mean that Jones has achieved the bare minimum and only just. I do feel for him though and I get the OPs point that they are responding but for whatever reason we just don't have any confidence in the final third. Under Sturrock we had a similar issue until Tudgay and Burton were signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzybmzoo Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Apologies if this has already been touched upon but I can't help but think the loss of Terry Burton has had a huge effect on us this season. Maybe he was more intrinsic to squad formation, training & morale than we envisaged. flipping Arsenal again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Dj will be gone after watford beat us next tuesday nite in my humble opinion If said result happens, yes, but I hope we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Sewell Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just feel we need to find a way to get at least 4 points from these next two home games or he could be staring down both barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just feel we need to find a way to get at least 4 points from these next two home games or he could be staring down both barrels. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidioso Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 A lot of you are going to look pretty foolish when DJ turns things around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 A lot of you are going to look pretty foolish when DJ turns things around! Would be happy with that. It's just the thought of him not doing so and being too late to change that I'm more worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 The performances are much, much better, as is the goal difference. Obviously those things don't keep you up. But they suggest that we have been unlucky. Luck doesn't even itself out over short time periods. It is more likely to over a season. If that happens we will be fine. Yes the performances are better now than under Laws as is the goal difference but the fact still remains that under that previous dreadful run we were 2 points better off than we are now. Fans can throw forward various stats and argue the point that we are playing well and creating chances (which I accept we are) but the fact remains that on current form, we are the worst side in the division and are going through an horrific run of form that's alomst 3 months long. At the end of the day, the only stat that matters is the score line and regardless of how well we are playing, we've developed a knack of losing pretty much every week. My main worry is that we'll see a situation arrive here as we did under Laws and Irvine, where results don't pick up and we all look back and agree in hindsight that he probably got the sack a month too late. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he turns things around but I have a very bad feeling that I'm right. Fans can argue that changing manager won't improve anything but this is purely guess work and in all fairness things can't get much worse than they are at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 AT the beggining of the season we were winning and apart from the leaking of goals you could say we were doing the job ,now all that was changed after the loss against Pallarse ,when jones started tinkering even to the extent of changeing the whole team bar Antonio ,now the problem to me was why feck about with the team who are scoring and winning some over one loss, would it not have been more sensible to shore the defence up by bringing a quality defender/defenders on loan rather than a midfielder and bothroyd ,just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pops55 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) We didnt lose 5-0 at Leicester. It was 3-0. And i'm pretty sure the 9 man match was against Yeovil not MK Dons. Edited November 19, 2012 by pops55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robswfc Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 The Precautionary Approach 10,000 BC...Two cavemen are sat waiting to go the match..lets call oneBigguns and the other robswfc. BG..."somethings go to change, I was thinking about what would happen if I rubbed these two sticks together and knocked the corners off these square bits of rock". robswfc..."You want change in the completely blind hope that change itself will make things better. But change may very well make things worse, and may condemn us to relegation (whatever that is). There is such a thing called the 'precautionary approach'. This states that in the absence of consensus that an action is harmful or not harmful, the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking the action. If we are going around rubbing sticks together and knocking corners off rock, we need to be sure we are not going to make the situation worse. We can't be sure of that because the situation can still get worse. So leave those sticks and stones alone and come back here to eat this raw meat,its a long walk to the match." very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robswfc Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 We didnt lose 5-0 at Leicester. It was 3-0. And i'm pretty sure the 9 man match was against Yeovil not MK Dons. Yeovil! Yeah was them. flaps. There was definitely a 5-0 under Laws though, who was it? Reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt109 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 How much time do you give him then? I bumped into an old mate at Forrest on Saturday, and we were discussing this very point. He was adamant that DJ should get at least another 2 full seasons and only then look at where we are at. He is absolutely convinced that DJ is the man to take us forward medium/long term even if in the short term we are relegated again, to build anything for the future he maintains that we need a long period of stability [citing the last 10 -15 years as proof that changing the manager frequently only acheives relative success in the short term]. He's clearly at one end of the spectrum, the fans who wanted DJ out after the Hull game are at the other end in my opinion. I had in my mind a points target we should achieve by the Boro game [very crude I know] we fell short despite managing to beat two worse teams than ourselves. I now have now set Dave a new target of at least 10 points by Christmas and I don't care how we get them, [for DJM.....scruffy undeserved 1 nils, dodgy penalties, in off someones arse doesn't matter] we just need the points. For me if we are on 25 points after the Charlton match I would give him the rest of this season and hope that there are three worse teams than us by May 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilf Marshall Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Terry Burton is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I bumped into an old mate at Forrest on Saturday, and we were discussing this very point. He was adamant that DJ should get at least another 2 full seasons and only then look at where we are at. He is absolutely convinced that DJ is the man to take us forward medium/long term even if in the short term we are relegated again, to build anything for the future he maintains that we need a long period of stability [citing the last 10 -15 years as proof that changing the manager frequently only acheives relative success in the short term]. He's clearly at one end of the spectrum, the fans who wanted DJ out after the Hull game are at the other end in my opinion. I had in my mind a points target we should achieve by the Boro game [very crude I know] we fell short despite managing to beat two worse teams than ourselves. I now have now set Dave a new target of at least 10 points by Christmas and I don't care how we get them, [for DJM.....scruffy undeserved 1 nils, dodgy penalties, in off someones arse doesn't matter] we just need the points. For me if we are on 25 points after the Charlton match I would give him the rest of this season and hope that there are three worse teams than us by May 4th. Your mate didn't cite Sir Alex Ferguson, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sweet&TenderOwl Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Would be happy with that. It's just the thought of him not doing so and being too late to change that I'm more worried about. x2] Totally agree. I'd more than be happy, if I was proved wrong by DJ and the team. All I want is for Wednesday to do well, regardless of who is the manager or who plays for us. But atm, I can't see us getting out of it anytime soon. And before the transfer window reopens in January, there's a good bet MM might be looking for a new man. Edited November 19, 2012 by Sweet&TenderOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 A lot of you are going to look pretty foolish when DJ turns things around! If he does I would be one of the first on here to congratulate him and admit I was wrong (i reg'd on here in May and most of my posts then were in huge praise of DJ and the team but some of the bizarre happenings this season have made me very wary of his chances of taking us any further). Just as long as if he takes us down the DJ supporters reciprocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wilf Marshall Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Does it look like improving under DJ? I mean really can anyone see a big upturn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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