Guest bigblue Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 This is possibly one for Kivo, but I'd be interested in everyone else's view too... Notts County & Not'm Forest are older than Wednesday as football clubs; but Stoke and Chesterfield have dubious Est. dates - given that they're currently different entities from the ones that were formed on the dates they have on their crests. Does that really make us the 3rd oldest? Also, because Wednesday were operating as a Cricket club in 1820, does that make us the oldest sporting club that exists as a Football club today? I know that the answers to these questions don't really matter in the grand scheme of things; but just as a point of interes...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KivoOwl Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 We're the third oldest league club - older than Stoke and Chesterfield Hallam Cricket Club were formed in 1804 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koper Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Have we pushed the club on this one? Lets get it official... Then again I'd have to change all my passwords.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Chesterfield's "official" formation year of 1866 is a joke, even their own official website admits it was probably only to try and get one up on Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl-zat Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Chesterfield's "official" formation year of 1866 is a joke, even their own official website admits it was probably only to try and get one up on Wednesday ^^^^^ This Jason Dickinson who writes books on Wednesday did write and point this out to Rothmans who produce those yearbooks on football but to no avail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fife_owl Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 This is possibly one for Kivo, but I'd be interested in everyone else's view too... Notts County & Not'm Forest are older than Wednesday as football clubs; but Stoke and Chesterfield have dubious Est. dates - given that they're currently different entities from the ones that were formed on the dates they have on their crests. Does that really make us the 3rd oldest? Also, because Wednesday were operating as a Cricket club in 1820, does that make us the oldest sporting club that exists as a Football club today? I know that the answers to these questions don't really matter in the grand scheme of things; but just as a point of interes...? I always thought that we were the fifth oldest club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsandwich Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 The nation of CANADA was founded in the same year (1867) didnt the club produce a baseball cap that had the wrong date on it once (1876) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Stoke City played their first game in 1868, as Stoke Ramblers. No evidence exists which shows them being formed anywhere near 1863. Stoke Ramblers merged with Stoke Victoria in 1878 and became Stoke. Therefore Stoke were formed in 1878 (adding City to their name in 1925) Chesterfield were formed in 1919, the fourth football club in the town, the first having been formed in October 1867, a month after ourselves. The 1866 date came about when one of their directors wanted to beat our date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian joicey Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 kivo, was it you talking about an eric taylor book the other day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Stoke City played their first game in 1868, as Stoke Ramblers. No evidence exists which shows them being formed anywhere near 1863. Stoke Ramblers merged with Stoke Victoria in 1878 and became Stoke. Therefore Stoke were formed in 1878 (adding City to their name in 1925) Chesterfield were formed in 1919, the fourth football club in the town, the first having been formed in October 1867, a month after ourselves. The 1866 date came about when one of their directors wanted to beat our date. So I take it with the Cricket Club heritage that makes us the oldest current professional sports club in the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 sheffield club was the 1st club in the world we all know that but ive always been interested who did they play against ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 How can Stoke claim their date then? Seems strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigblue Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 sheffield club was the 1st club in the world we all know that but ive always been interested who did they play against ? Teams that existed then, but don't remain today. Plus the rules weren't quite settled at that point, so it gets a bit messy with various collections of individuals playing different versions of the game. In fact, because the rules were only really formalised after a game played between the London & Sheffield FA's in 1866. So we could arguably be the first proper "Association Football Club" ever formed. Both Notts County (oldest professional) and Sheffield FC (oldest ameteur) played their own versions, so technically not a football (as we know it today) club until around the date that Wednesday came into being! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigblue Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 How can Stoke claim their date then? Seems strange. because there was A club in existence in Stoke. It wasn't the one that exists today though. It'd be like the Pigs claiming to have been formed in 1867 because there was a club playing at Bumhole Lane. Different club; doesn't count in my book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Dec1966 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 There is no disputing the facts. Although all the hsitroy books say we're the fifth oldest, we are quite clearly the 3rd oldest. Stoke and Chesterfield are younger by any criteria, and strictly speaking, by many years. And, yes, it matters a great deal. We've also played continuously at Hillsborough since 1899, in three centuries! History is what shapes and defines us. Memories are all we have, once we lose memory, we are as sounding brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardiffowl06 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Needs officially sorting out, if we can move up to 3rd that would be ridiculously great - as someone earlier said - its what defines us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigblue Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Oldest professional sports club would be good too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfmanjack Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 kivo, was it you talking about an eric taylor book the other day? That's the book recently published by my mate Andy, from Nottingham. I believe it's on sale in the not too distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bartos Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Needs officially sorting out, if we can move up to 3rd that would be ridiculously great - as someone earlier said - its what defines us. Correct history does define, but why would it be so much better to be 3rd than 5th? Does it really matter how old we are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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