Adem Poric Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, JackRussel said: I think soccer in the Premier League is now at such a level that a lot is decided by chance. Many teams are very good - even too good. And that's why the coach is not as influential now as he was 10-20 years ago. But maybe I'm wrong. All I'm saying is that internal team relationships are very important to winning. Tuchel had the same players to work with as Lampard. The head coach is still massively important. Klopp, Tuchel and Guardiola would take that Man U squad and be challenging consistently. They would have an identity as a team and you would know what to expect when you watch them play. Their squad is tremendous, the coaching has clearly let them down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I’ve watched more or less every United match this season - more than I’ve watched Wednesday, and have always been miffed by the claim that they have a title winning squad They made 2 marquee signings in the summer who weren’t needed, Ronaldo & Sancho Ronaldo effects the flow and tactics, doesn’t press which then interrupts the balance. Yes a terrific goal scorer, but at what cost when you consider everything else. Sancho i was never convinced by even before joining the club, and have always said the German league isn’t a realistic benchmark to assess a players potential. He’s just more of the same that they already have Rashford: blows hot and cold, hasn’t been consistent in nearly 2 years Greenwood: Still raw, some awful decision making So let’s look at their midfield: Pogba who again blows hot and cold and doesn’t look half the player he does for France alongside Kante McTom & Fred - wouldn’t get in Newcastle’s team Matic - So past his sell by date it’s untrue Their defence: Maguire - A top 8 defender at best. I’ve watched him closely this season and his positional sense and awareness is a million miles behind some of the worlds best. He’s been a calamity Lindelof - Average premier league defender. Baily - Varane- Is excellent but will always struggle playing with any of the 3 above Compare any of them with Chelsea’s, Liverpool’s or City’s team It’s like night and day Whoever the manager is, the best they should hope for is top 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bannofan said: . De Gea, Wan Bissaka, Varane, Shaw, Fernandes, McTominay, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani, C.Ronaldo, Sancho...so much talent for a new manager to work with. Another £100 million on a defensive midfielder and a centre half ( to replace Maguire) and you have a frighteningly good first 11. I’ve highlighted those in bold who I think seriously aren’t nowhere capable of winning a title. There’s nothing to suggest they would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Sancho is a wierd one. They spent 18 months trying to sign him, eventually spent north of 80m on him but he can't get a look in. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickly Kevin Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Sancho is a wierd one. They spent 18 months trying to sign him, eventually spent north of 80m on him but he can't get a look in. Bizarre. For all the shortcomings of Ole the signing of Ronaldo was forced on him. Sancho fitted into his gameplan where Ronaldo fits into Ronaldos gameplan. Basically he demands the ball and doesnt offer a lot else. He is an incredible goalscorer and has got vital goals this season but it papers over cracks and sells shirts. We saw the backlash when he dared to rest him. I think Sancho would do well in PL but we may never properly find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannofan Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: Sancho is a wierd one. They spent 18 months trying to sign him, eventually spent north of 80m on him but he can't get a look in. Bizarre. They never really needed him either, with Rashford, Greenwood and Martial all capable of playing that role. Maybe Sancho is a better bet than Martial, but he's certainly not better than Rashford or Greenwood. I think the fact that he can't get in the team isn't because of Ronaldo, it's because they simply have better options in those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannofan Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 hours ago, FreshOwl said: I’ve highlighted those in bold who I think seriously aren’t nowhere capable of winning a title. There’s nothing to suggest they would Obviously I disagree otherwise I wouldn't have suggested them, but I concede if you play the game of would they get in Chelsea's, Liverpool's or Man City's teams, you would struggle to make a case for many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 hours ago, FreshOwl said: I’ve watched more or less every United match this season - more than I’ve watched Wednesday, and have always been miffed by the claim that they have a title winning squad They made 2 marquee signings in the summer who weren’t needed, Ronaldo & Sancho Ronaldo effects the flow and tactics, doesn’t press which then interrupts the balance. Yes a terrific goal scorer, but at what cost when you consider everything else. Sancho i was never convinced by even before joining the club, and have always said the German league isn’t a realistic benchmark to assess a players potential. He’s just more of the same that they already have Rashford: blows hot and cold, hasn’t been consistent in nearly 2 years Greenwood: Still raw, some awful decision making So let’s look at their midfield: Pogba who again blows hot and cold and doesn’t look half the player he does for France alongside Kante McTom & Fred - wouldn’t get in Newcastle’s team Matic - So past his sell by date it’s untrue Their defence: Maguire - A top 8 defender at best. I’ve watched him closely this season and his positional sense and awareness is a million miles behind some of the worlds best. He’s been a calamity Lindelof - Average premier league defender. Baily - Varane- Is excellent but will always struggle playing with any of the 3 above Compare any of them with Chelsea’s, Liverpool’s or City’s team It’s like night and day Whoever the manager is, the best they should hope for is top 4 Very fair assessment. It's looks like that team was from the pick and mix section of Woolworths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I'm not sold on this squad been so amazing. A few too many blow hot and cold in term of performances and allow their heads to drop at the slightest hint that things might go wrong. You can't afford to be mentally soft as a Man U player, end of story. Still got some serious questions over the goalkeeper and quite a bit of the defence. Is it just me or is De Gea having a decent season because he's having so much to do atm? Bit of Shay Given syndrome going on there imo. A fully fit Varrane might bring the defence together, but I'd be very, very concerned by the performances this season from Maguire, Shaw and Bisakka. As for the defensive midfield options...well they're crap tbh. None of them would get anywhere near any other top side in the league. Truth be told, they'd barely standout playing for Everton. Yeah, they having some great attacking options, but I'd want to see more from Rashford, Greenwood and we are yet to see what Sancho can bring to the table in the PL. Bruno is having a poor season too. Funnily enough, his form has nosedived since his mate from Portugal showed up. There's a lot of issues there which need resolving. Perhaps you get that world class manager and it all comes together, but I see nothing from Man U as a football club to suggest they'll make the right moves. They've been treading water ever since SAF departed in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bannofan said: They never really needed him either, with Rashford, Greenwood and Martial all capable of playing that role. Maybe Sancho is a better bet than Martial, but he's certainly not better than Rashford or Greenwood. I think the fact that he can't get in the team isn't because of Ronaldo, it's because they simply have better options in those positions. They needed a holding midfielder, someone to control/dictate the game and bring stability, offer protection to the defence and when in the transition. Sancho smacks of Man U once again prioritising marquee names over what the squad actually requires. Oooh, let's get another FIFA posterboy in. He will reinforce we are a big club and sell a few shirts to boot. Edited November 22, 2021 by SiJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Maguire's suspended for the Chelsea game. Chelsea have appealed* *(unoriginal but made me chuckle) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, edmontonowl said: Maguire's suspended for the Chelsea game. Chelsea have appealed* *(unoriginal but made me chuckle) He's been appalling this season, him and Shaw. Mistake after mistake. The one against Watford was utterly laughable. This is the captain of Man United ffs. Idiot was giving it the big un having scored against Albania for England a few days prior too. Imagine having had captains like Robson, Keane, Neville, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra etc., and now you've got that fat headed pansy walking out there with the armband. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, SiJ said: They needed a holding midfielder, someone to control/dictate the game and bring stability, offer protection to the defence and when in the transition. Sancho smacks of Man U once again prioritising marquee names over what the squad actually requires. Oooh, let's get another FIFA posterboy in. He will reinforce we are a big club and sell a few shirts to boot. Exactly. 2013 was the last time they won the Prem. World's biggest clubs don't go 8 years without winning their own domestic league. 9 years if you count this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Just now, SiJ said: He's been appalling this season, him and Shaw. Mistake after mistake. The one against Watford was utterly laughable. This is the captain of Man United ffs. Idiot was giving it the big un having scored against Albania for England a few days prior too. Imagine having had captains like Robson, Keane, Neville, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra etc., and now you've got that fat headed pansy walking out there with the armband. I've never agreed with you so much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Dronfield Blue said: I've never agreed with you so much. Ha. Let's stick to discussing the football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Just now, SiJ said: Ha. Let's stick to discussing the football. The new man has to be Pots. He ticks all the boxes for them. Whoever comes in has a bit of ego crushing to do with some of the playing staff. Fire damage sale time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, SiJ said: and now you've got that fat headed pansy walking out there with the armband. A what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Dronfield Blue said: The new man has to be Pots. He ticks all the boxes for them. Whoever comes in has a bit of ego crushing to do with some of the playing staff. Fire damage sale time? Perhaps, but then I'm not sure you could trust the club hierarchy to instigate a fire sale. As thing stand, they will be losing Pogba and Lingaard for nothing in the summer. That's two players which you could have made 60 to 70 million on combined? Poch seems like the best fit for Man U. He's a very good manager, but he's not going to go in and cause a storm like Jose did or Conte may do. He performed minor miracles at Spurs imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Arthur Bach said: A what? Yeah, ok Arthur. Having googled the exact definition of said word, I realised it was a bit more offensive than I originally thought. Apologies to anyone who was/is offended. Let's swap pansy for softy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, SiJ said: Perhaps, but then I'm not sure you could trust the club hierarchy to instigate a fire sale. As thing stand, they will be losing Pogba and Lingaard for nothing in the summer. That's two players which you could have made 60 to 70 million on combined? Poch seems like the best fit for Man U. He's a very good manager, but he's not going to go in and cause a storm like Jose did or Conte may do. He performed minor miracles at Spurs imo. Levy's biggest clanger letting him go. If he'd spent the compo money for Jose and Nuno on players like Poch wanted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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