Attracting Players for Next Season

[Ronnie Starling]

Criteria new players must meet

 

Linked to Paxo agents tick

Wrong side of 30 tick

Injury prone tick

Unwanted by current club tick

Demands silly wages tick

Mentally weak tick

Can't do the basics tick

 

[Bluesteel]

There’s some absolute nonsense. 
 

If/when we go down. We will be an attractive prospect for players who want to get to the championship but have not had offers to go directly.  We might not go straight back up but we will be in the top quartile for being able to pick up the better players at that level. 
 

This was the case back when Chris Turner was manager and we were in a mess then. 

[Bluesteel]

Just now, Ronnie Starling said:

Criteria new players must meet

 

Linked to Paxo agents tick

Wrong side of 30 tick

Injury prone tick

Unwanted by current club tick

Demands silly wages tick

Mentally weak tick

Can't do the basics tick

 

To be fair most of the players we’ve signed recently have been the right side of 30 and would be on pretty average wages. 

[Captain Scarlett]

Further to the 3 mentioned above............ also managed to bring in Ben Marshall, Clinton Morrison,  Ryan Lowe and arrange the loan of Michail Antonio . Something the present transfer set up would never sanction or have the brains to seek out. Standby for some more of the same old crocks and has beens looking for a last payday ( if their wages go through that is ! )

[Bluesteel]

25 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Exactly, something we again largely ignored this season, and Moore used the loan system to the max at Doncaster. The secret is, we have the experience, so we need to bring in talented youngsters who will give us pace and energy. People were saying last summer, who’s going to sign for us with the points penalty. So much so, that most seemed quite happy with the business we did do. In truth, it was mainly poor, and there were far better, and more appropriate players out there that we could have signed

Like who? It sounds like we spoke to a lot of players and it was who we could persuade to come for a horror crash season. 

[Captain Scarlett]

4 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:

There’s some absolute nonsense. 
 

If/when we go down. We will be an attractive prospect for players who want to get to the championship but have not had offers to go directly.  We might not go straight back up but we will be in the top quartile for being able to pick up the better players at that level. 
 

This was the case back when Chris Turner was manager and we were in a mess then. 

 We weren't owned by DC. back then either. Totally different ball game now ( pardon the pun ). Be nice to think we could command the same respect but times have changed. Like it or not our Historical club is  now a Hysterical club. Only thing that will attract players now will be money and there reason to believe DC has totally run out of the stuff.

[4evaowl]

Like 2005 we probably need a mixture of old and young. Bullen, Lee etc at one end of the scale and upcoming players like Brunt and Whelan at the other. Shrewd signings like McGovern too.

[Bluesteel]

1 minute ago, Captain Scarlett said:

 We weren't owned by DC. back then either. Totally different ball game now ( pardon the pun ). Be nice to think we could command the same respect but times have changed. Like it or not our Historical club is  now a Hysterical club. Only thing that will attract players now will be money and there reason to believe DC has totally run out of the stuff.

If he’d run out of the stuff we’d be in administration shortly anyway. 
 

I think too many people are predicting the worst so they can say they were right all along. We are in a really bad situation and there is one man to blame for it. But to suggest div 3 players or prem u23 would be reluctant to play at that level for Wednesday (without championship offers) is just not the case. 

[SallyCinnamon]

9 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:

There’s some absolute nonsense. 
 

If/when we go down. We will be an attractive prospect for players who want to get to the championship but have not had offers to go directly.  We might not go straight back up but we will be in the top quartile for being able to pick up the better players at that level. 
 

This was the case back when Chris Turner was manager and we were in a mess then. 

When we last got relegated and we were in a mess we ended up with some awful over the hill players. The likes of Clinton Morrison, Gary Teale, Chris Sedgwick. 
 

That only changed when Mandaric came in and gave Megson a bit of freedom to put his own mark on the team.

 

Can you see DC letting that happen? Can you see us attracting good young talent ahead of Championship clubs?

 

I think we’ll really struggle. Considering half the squad is out of contract. I can see a mad rush to just get bodies in to make up the numbers. Rather than signing players with a plan in mind. When has our chairman ever had a plan? Other than in the first two seasons which was sign anyone and everyone chuck money at it and hope for the best.

[FreshOwl]

It’s a worrying thought.

 

The only reason players signed for us this summer with everything going on behind the scenes is because we’re a championship club 

Lose that title and we’ll plummet with this g!mp in charge 

 

[FreshOwl]

18 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:

There’s some absolute nonsense. 
 

If/when we go down. We will be an attractive prospect for players who want to get to the championship but have not had offers to go directly.  We might not go straight back up but we will be in the top quartile for being able to pick up the better players at that level. 
 

This was the case back when Chris Turner was manager and we were in a mess then. 

Yep. Players queuing up to join a L1 club who can’t pay their staff on time 

[SallyCinnamon]

Just now, FreshOwl said:

It’s a worrying thought.

 

The only reason players signed for us this summer with everything going on behind the scenes is because we’re a championship club 

Lose that title and we’ll plummet with this g!mp in charge 

 

All we could attract last summer was the current lot. And they’re probably League One standard at best.

 

God help us recruiting from League One.

[Bluesteel]

1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said:

When we last got relegated and we were in a mess we ended up with some awful over the hill players. The likes of Clinton Morrison, Gary Teale, Chris Sedgwick. 
 

That only changed when Mandaric came in and gave Megson a bit of freedom to put his own mark on the team.

 

Can you see DC letting that happen? Can you see us attracting good young talent ahead of Championship clubs?

 

I think we’ll really struggle. Considering half the squad is out of contract. I can see a mad rush to just get bodies in to make up the numbers. Rather than signing players with a plan in mind. When has our chairman ever had a plan? Other than in the first two seasons which was sign anyone and everyone chuck money at it and hope for the best.

I think we need to wait till the summer to be able to say as carlos was a complete collection of players. Luhukay couldn’t sign anyone with FFP, Bruce was allowed to despite ffp and on a reduced budget his signings did make sense to plug gaps with height and speed/athleticism. Then Monk had a -12 to attract players too, some seemed ok but a stark lack of quality in the final third.  Andre Green and the left back targets also made sense and show a change in strategy IMO.

 

When Mandaric came in Irvine made a raft of signings that actually made that team even worse. It took the ability to completely rebuild to get us going. It was well clear at the time Megson thought that he was restrained on budget and recruitment and that MM needed a lot of management/fending off. That’s why they fell out and he was sacked it wasn’t perfect. We had a pretty cheaply assembled side but they were determined and it was the quality of Marshall and Antonio/Treacy/Ranger on loan which probably got us that bit extra at key times.

 

I don’t think it’s a guarantee we will come straight back up but it’s a leap to say we will also struggle down the bottom of that league. It’s just in vogue to be unbalanced toward the negative at the moment.

[Captain Scarlett]

3 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

When we last got relegated and we were in a mess we ended up with some awful over the hill players. The likes of Clinton Morrison, Gary Teale, Chris Sedgwick. 
 

That only changed when Mandaric came in and gave Megson a bit of freedom to put his own mark on the team.

 

Can you see DC letting that happen? Can you see us attracting good young talent ahead of Championship clubs?

 

I think we’ll really struggle. Considering half the squad is out of contract. I can see a mad rush to just get bodies in to make up the numbers. Rather than signing players with a plan in mind. When has our chairman ever had a plan? Other than in the first two seasons which was sign anyone and everyone chuck money at it and hope for the best.

 

You're right Clinton Morrison was signed 2010 not under Megson 2011 but I still have a soft spot for him and his humour.  We are in a complete mess right now. Our academy and attractiveness just isn't there although most soccer mad youngsters would still jump at the chance of a professional career. But our scouting network is long gone, replaced by agents and the chance of a quick commission. The days of scouts watching school soccer matches with a notebook is long gone ( probably frowned upon & illiegal now ! ).......I blame this interweb thingy, instagram and twitter.

 

Right now we are a joke of a club but if and it's a big if............IF we can get through the next few  years  maybe 3 - 5 years, then maybe, just maybe the wheel of fortune may finally turn in our direction once more and DC will have moved on and we'll have been bought out by a person or company who actually has a plan and some knowledge of how a football club should be run. Let's hope so but I won't hold my breath.

[Bluesteel]

3 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

Yep. Players queuing up to join a L1 club who can’t pay their staff on time 

Do you think most clubs in the EFL have paid players on time in the pandemic? There was chat about this happening at various championship clubs. 

[kilbyj]

Not a cat in hells chance. 

 

Wage cap lifted for next season, even if we play it mega mega mega conservative we'll still have the 1st or 2nd biggest budget in the division (depending on Sunderland).

 

Money talks, hopefully gone are the days of stupid 30/40k contracts but we could easily double or triple what most teams in the division could offer and still be looking at sub 10k contracts. We could probably get 5/6 top league one players for Rhodes wages alone. 

 

We are still a big name believe it or not. Look at Darren Moores interviews.... He's not stopped talking of his excitement and pride to be here at a club like ours.... Same will apply to players. 

 

DC has tarnished our current reputation but the history and prestige remains.

[Bluesteel]

1 minute ago, kilbyj said:

Not a cat in hells chance. 

 

Wage cap lifted for next season, even if we play it mega mega mega conservative we'll still have the 1st or 2nd biggest budget in the division (depending on Sunderland).

 

Money talks, hopefully gone are the days of stupid 30/40k contracts but we could easily double or triple what most teams in the division could offer and still be looking at sub 10k contracts. We could probably get 5/6 top league one players for Rhodes wages alone. 

 

We are still a big name believe it or not. Look at Darren Moores interviews.... He's not stopped talking of his excitement and pride to be here at a club like ours.... Same will apply to players. 

 

DC has tarnished our current reputation but the history and prestige remains.

Exactly this!

[gurujuan]

11 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:

Like who? It sounds like we spoke to a lot of players and it was who we could persuade to come for a horror crash season. 

Mate where do I start. First priority was to balance the squad, and the two major issues were a left back, and a proper number 9 to lead the line. We could for example, have brought in Pickering for the left back role, and Adebayo a powerful number 9, for what we paid for Paterson and Windass. Both players would probably have jumped at the chance to join us from Crewe and Walsall respectively, but most importantly, they were positions we had to address. Two promising young players who, even if we are relegated, could have been mainstays in our attempts to win promotion back to the championship. They are just two examples, there were a myriad of options out there. 
If we wanted a more ready made centre forward, I can think of plenty on the continent who could have been purchased for what we paid for Windass. Another avenue, there were experienced players like Kazim-Richards, who were free agents, and would certainly have aided our cause. 
Finally, the loan market, there were plenty of Premier League youngsters, some of whom moved to, and are now starring for League One teams. The excuse that players wouldn’t want to join us, is a red herring. For example, we needed a left back, are we saying there wasn’t one available anywhere who was prepared to join us? Make no mistake, inadequate recruitment has meant we never really had much chance of avoiding the drop 

[Captain Scarlett]

3 minutes ago, kilbyj said:

Not a cat in hells chance. 

 

Wage cap lifted for next season, even if we play it mega mega mega conservative we'll still have the 1st or 2nd biggest budget in the division (depending on Sunderland).

 

Money talks, hopefully gone are the days of stupid 30/40k contracts but we could easily double or triple what most teams in the division could offer and still be looking at sub 10k contracts. We could probably get 5/6 top league one players for Rhodes wages alone. 

 

We are still a big name believe it or not. Look at Darren Moores interviews.... He's not stopped talking of his excitement and pride to be here at a club like ours.... Same will apply to players. 

 

DC has tarnished our current reputation but the history and prestige remains.

 

 

The problem is who exactly will contact these players. Who is actually in charge of transfers and recommendations ?......that's the problem. It's not down to the manager to assemble his own squad any longer. He can present a list of likely recruits but it's still down to DC and his " advisors" to approach and sanction the moves and that's the problem. I'm sure we don't know half the stuff going on and the wheeling and dealing behind closed doors with agents and money men. Maybe we can get a few Doncaster players in that Darren Moore knows better than most. But whilst we have this paranoid controlling owner I feel nothing will change.

[FreshOwl]

17 minutes ago, Bluesteel said:

Do you think most clubs in the EFL have paid players on time in the pandemic? There was chat about this happening at various championship clubs. 

Ok. So let’s say we can attract players, and assuming Moore has no say in transfer activity. Who will be identifying these players