Guest Mcguigan Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, McRightSide said: There’s a few financial gamblers in there... Maybe but he asked who hadn't broken FFP and/or received parachute payments to get promoted. Edited August 17, 2020 by Mcguigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Athelwulf said: Leeds and the Blades have both got much better managers than we've had. Bielsa was considered by some of the top clubs in Europe before being recruited by Leeds. We simply don't have the stature to attract a manager of his standing. The Blades are just incredibly lucky, doubly so because Wilder is British. You could take 20 managers from the lower leagues and not get a Wilder. If he'd got an "o" on the end of his name he'd be long gone. I know, so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just now, Mcguigan said: Maybe but he asked who had broken FFP and/or received parachute payments to get promoted. Correct. ‘Gambler’ means found to have broken PnS after promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Athelwulf said: In the 15 years prior to his arrival we had no chance of going up, and graced the Third on two occasions. With a reasonable chance it's going to be 3. Only Chansiri and Mandaric had the advantage in the past 2 decades of starting from a decent financial position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Essix Blue said: Correct. ‘Gambler’ means found to have broken PnS after promotion. Have Leeds or Sheff U, Wolves, Watford, Hull, Cardiff, Brighton, Huddersfield, Southampton, Reading........ect been found to have broken P&S after promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Essix Blue said: My point is some fans argue you can’t get promoted without either parachute money or taking a financial gamble. It’d be interesting to see how many have done it without either. I think Leeds did this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, rickygoo said: ok.... some are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, billyblack said: I think Leeds did this season Also had a couple of spells in administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: I'm definitely with you re' the accounts. The problem Chansiri has faced is that we're a club which has suffered chronic under-investment for many years. Youth policies take many years to come to fruition, and we must rank as one of the most unsuccessful clubs in this country where youth development is concerned. He couldn't fall back on youth for playing staff, or to sell to help balance the books. Offers came in for players, but from clubs rivalling us for promotion. Chansiri went for it, but was thwarted by Hooper's injury. I'm not saying Chansiri has made no mistakes, but he's had a go. In the 15 years prior to his arrival we had no chance of going up, and graced the Third on two occasions. Ultimately, in our situation you have to gamble. And any chairman who does that is either going to be a hero or a villain. Jan - May 2017 will be a pivotal point in his tenure, in which he really rolled the dice, which was to ultimately saddle us with the debt we breached FFP. Maybe the devastating events against Huddersfield knocked him back, but we've not been right since, and he just stumbled from one issue to another seemingly compounding the problems - fan detachment through prices; kit debacle; playing commercial hard ball with former sponsors and box holders; 150 anniversary etc. Having said this, that 2017 team with it's massive wage bill, was no way good enough for the PL. IMO only Westwood, BB and FF would have been able to compete and even then that's debatable. We would have needed 12 players at least to even stay in PL, so the 'going for it' policy was somewhat built on sand and not built for the long term. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: I know, so what? With managers of that ability spending on players is less of an issue. Wilder would probably get the Dog and Duck under 10s up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Essix Blue said: How many teams have been promoted from the Championship in the past 20 years who 1) Didn’t have parachute payments 2) Weren’t found to have broken PnS rules I don’t know the answer, but it’d be interesting if someone does. One I prepared earlier, posted before. Last 6 years Red is no parachute Green with parachute payments 3 teams done it clean in 6 years. Edited August 17, 2020 by Nero 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The_Limit_Owl said: We’re not paying the highest prices though, there are higher prices in this league, we’re on a par if anything, but keep peddling the untruths! We're on a par with what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, snaykz said: It hasn’t been removed. It was merged with this thread. All of those posts are still visible a few pages back. My bad.sorry. Edited August 17, 2020 by BARMYARMY2010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Wolves, Watford, Hull, Cardiff, Brighton, Huddersfield, Southampton, Reading........ Wolves and Brighton massively overspent and would have been FFP'd if they hadnt gone up All the others except Huddersfield were being doped through parachute payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: I'm definitely with you re' the accounts. The problem Chansiri has faced is that we're a club which has suffered chronic under-investment for many years. Youth policies take many years to come to fruition, and we must rank as one of the most unsuccessful clubs in this country where youth development is concerned. He couldn't fall back on youth for playing staff, or to sell to help balance the books. Offers came in for players, but from clubs rivalling us for promotion. Chansiri went for it, but was thwarted by Hooper's injury. I'm not saying Chansiri has made no mistakes, but he's had a go. In the 15 years prior to his arrival we had no chance of going up, and graced the Third on two occasions. Ultimately, in our situation you have to gamble. And any chairman who does that is either going to be a hero or a villain. Having a go is one thing. Back dating paperwork is another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: Most other club’s matchday pricing, as I said! Simply not true. Our Season Tickets were just about the priciest in the division - that's something I looked at. As for Matchday - you are pulling myleg. We were expensive and even refused reciprocal pricing to bring the price down for our own travelling supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nero said: Wolves and Brighton massively overspent and would have been FFP'd if they hadnt gone up All the others except Huddersfield were being doped through parachute payments. So what. All we can do is get our own house in order and give ourselves the best possible chance. Rolling a dice isnt the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzys Dad Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nero said: One I prepared earlier, posted before. Last 6 years Red is no parachute Green with parachute payments 3 teams done it clean in 6 years. All honest, genuine YORKSHIRE teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Nero said: One I prepared earlier, posted before. Last 6 years Red is no parachute Green with parachute payments 3 teams done it clean in 6 years. So it can be done then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, royalowlisback said: Also had a couple of spells in administration. Yep and still managed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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