shezzas left peg Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 There's a difference between blindly swinging a ball in, which although can be counted as a cross and actually delivering a quality pin point ball in the right area. You need to supply crosses in dangerous areas which somone has a chance to get on to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 17 hours ago, alanharper said: So this means that we've scored 11 goals from 275 crosses. Which supports the not myth but fact that our crossing is bloody awful. This. Doesn't matter how many crosses we put in if they're sh*te crosses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballmeist Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, shezzas left peg said: There's a difference between blindly swinging a ball in, which although can be counted as a cross and actually delivering a quality pin point ball in the right area. You need to supply crosses in dangerous areas which somone has a chance to get on to. 100% agree. If you actually look at the quality of our crosses they're pretty poor. The majority are either under / over hit, and very few crosses have pace on them meaning the strikers have to make sure they put power and direction on any finish. As many have said before we don't have the skill set within the squad as Carlos isn't a big fan of wingers, and the players that he plays on the wings all prefer to cut in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 People still saying our crosses are sh it despite a poster stating we are ranked 5th for accurate crosses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 No good supplying the second highest amount of crosses when we rarely have enough bodies in the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 22 hours ago, davetherivelinowl said: This should de-bunk the myth that we're a team that doesn't supply strikers with crosses Data from whoscored.com This season we've made 25 crosses per game, 2nd highest in the league Championship Situational Statistics R Team Cross pg Through Ball pg Long Balls pg Short Passes pg 1 Queens Park Rangers 26 0 76 304 2 Sheffield Wednesday 25 1 74 362 3 Barnsley 24 0 82 287 4 Millwall 24 0 78 220 5 Sheffield United 21 1 75 363 6 Aston Villa 21 2 67 351 7 Preston 20 0 72 303 8 Brentford 19 3 80 417 9 Hull 19 1 76 362 10 Bristol City 19 1 83 348 11 Birmingham 19 1 77 307 12 Bolton 19 0 78 278 13 Ipswich 19 0 80 274 14 Nottingham Forest 18 2 73 451 15 Reading 18 1 83 437 16 Middlesbrough 18 1 67 370 17 Sunderland 18 0 77 276 18 Burton 18 0 79 275 19 Cardiff 17 1 71 219 20 Wolverhampton Wanderers 16 1 72 420 21 Leeds 16 1 74 361 22 Derby 15 1 69 317 23 Fulham 14 3 58 434 24 Norwich 14 1 61 427 View: Overall Home Away Few surprises there. Cardiff at the top of the league but with the lowest pass rate. Surprised to see Forest top of the pass rankings. Reading top of the long ball rankings with a Dutchman in charge. No surprises that Brentford and Fulham top the through ball chart with the clever players they have in midfield. These stats must be generated by successful passes, crosss, through balls etc or what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almat Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Stats are fine but not the be all and end all. Haven't looked but I would imagine that in the games we have lost this season we probably had more 'possession' than the opposites. Yeah, but what kind of 'possession'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 hours ago, davetherivelinowl said: Just to point out... I'm not having a go at Jordan Rhodes. This is a response to those on here who have said we should never have bought him because we don't play the sort of football he can thrive on - 'he needs crosses'. The title is meant as a teaser; its something that others have said that I'm trying to debunk. And in response to other posters: Of course he can't score if we cross the ball and he's sat on the bench. We're no more rubbish at crossing than most other teams. We're 5th in the league for the highest number of accurate crosses per game. I'm not sure how they define crosses. We've created lots of chances from passes from wide areas. These may or may not be included in the stats. And I don't know how they define accurate. A dangerous cross into a good area might not be counted as accurate if nobody touches it. Stats eh! Where is this stat from? There's nothing on that stats site as far as I can see to rank the accuracy of crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Wonder how many make it past the first defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Maybe he's just not good enough? And hasn't been for the last 2 years? Just saying like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetherivelinowl Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, alanharper said: Where is this stat from? There's nothing on that stats site as far as I can see to rank the accuracy of crosses. Same place, though I admit it's not easy to find. Oh, and I was wrong, we are 4th best not 5th best. We're also 3rd worst for the number of Inaccurate crosses. And we're poo at corners and free kicks R Team AccCr InAccCr AccCrn InAccCrn AccFrK InAccFrK Rating 1 Preston 5.9 14.2 2.8 2.4 8.2 5.1 6.90 2 Millwall 5.7 17.8 3.3 3.8 6.5 5.5 6.83 3 Queens Park Rangers 5.5 20.5 1.7 4.5 10.1 3.5 6.74 4 Sheffield Wednesday 5.4 19 1.9 4.4 7.3 5.3 6.76 5 Barnsley 5.3 19.1 1.8 2.6 6.7 3.6 6.72 6 Aston Villa 5.1 16.2 0.8 2.9 5.2 3.3 6.86 7 Bristol City 4.8 14.5 3.2 2.7 9.8 5.5 6.94 8 Hull 4.7 14.3 1.6 3.4 6.3 5.2 6.82 9 Middlesbrough 4.6 13.3 2 3.1 9 3.5 6.83 10 Wolverhampton Wanderers 4.6 11.5 2.3 2.4 7.4 2.1 6.93 11 Birmingham 4.5 14.3 2 3 6.6 4.2 6.54 12 Bolton 4.4 14.4 1.7 2.2 7.5 5.4 6.47 13 Sheffield United 4.3 16.9 2.7 3.8 7.9 3.8 6.80 14 Reading 4.1 13.4 2.4 2.1 9 3.1 6.62 15 Ipswich 4.1 14.5 2.4 3.3 8.7 3.9 6.94 16 Cardiff 4 12.8 2.3 3.1 5.2 6.4 6.96 17 Derby 3.9 10.9 1.3 2.7 8.5 3.5 6.73 18 Brentford 3.8 14.8 3.4 3.7 11.3 2.9 6.73 19 Sunderland 3.7 13.8 1.4 2.3 5.7 4.5 6.66 20 Nottingham Forest 3.5 14.8 2 2.2 11 2.6 6.73 21 Burton 3.3 14.5 1.4 3 7 6.7 6.47 22 Leeds 2.8 13.1 2 2.3 9.4 3.1 6.84 23 Norwich 2.8 11.4 1.2 3.6 10 2.1 6.75 24 Fulham 2.6 11.7 2.3 2.7 12.2 2.2 6.78 Mins: Minutes played AccCr: Accurate cross passes InAccCr: Inaccurate cross passes AccCrn: Accurate corner passes InAccCrn: Inaccurate corner passes AccFrK: Accurate freekicks InAccFrK: Inaccurate freekicks Edited October 13, 2017 by davetherivelinowl correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetherivelinowl Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Sorry, but what I just posted didn't look like what you see! You have to scroll down to the bottom table. I've just corrected it so it's OK now. Edited October 13, 2017 by davetherivelinowl correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 That doesn't mean that we're the 4th most accurate crossing team though does it - it means that we've put in the 4th highest number of accurate crosses per game but we've done it from having the 2nd highest number of crosses. We've also got the 3rd highest number of inaccurate crosses in the division. So basically yeah, our crossing is still rubbish! I'm sure somebody with more time and better maths than me could use that table above to show whereabouts we are when it comes to percentages of crosses which are actually completed. I've been to every game apart from one this season and week in week out I'm frustrated as cross after cross either fails to beat the first man or sails past everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Crossing is a lost art across most of football - much like tackling. Modern corners are often a joke. They've been coached out of the game with possesional, short passing taking their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 12 hours ago, Ballmeist said: 100% agree. If you actually look at the quality of our crosses they're pretty poor. The majority are either under / over hit, and very few crosses have pace on them meaning the strikers have to make sure they put power and direction on any finish. As many have said before we don't have the skill set within the squad as Carlos isn't a big fan of wingers, and the players that he plays on the wings all prefer to cut in. Yup totally agree bud, been a bugbear of mine for ages now. Play the left footer on the right and visa versa meaning instead of being able to either beat a man on the run or just curl it round the defender. We have to stop play dead, let the defense set while whomever is out wide stops, cuts inside then delivers an IN SWINGING CROSS. Straight into the goalies arm's, instead of a wide man putting an out swinging ball in for attacking players to run onto and get power on the header. Yes reach and hunt when they're breaking forward as wingers, not fullbacks as they're supposed to be put a woefull cross in and we get cought down the wide channels to a fast break making the CB's have to cover out wide and leave a hole you could drive a tank through the middle. Not our best tactics to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 14 hours ago, Arthur Bach said: Crossing is a lost art across most of football - much like tackling. Modern corners are often a joke. They've been coached out of the game with possesional, short passing taking their place. That's because they're pisseasy to defend against. For a start, the ball has to be in slightly in front of the attacker. This gives the defender the advantage. A striker has a very small target to aim at and then a goal keeper to beat. The defender has the rest of the field to aim at. It's no coincidence defenders are generally the tallest players on the field. A defender only has to shoulder barge the striker when jumping for the ball and he has no chance of scoring because he can't get the angle on it. I haven't even started on the full backs preventing crosses. I'm not saying don't throw in crosses, but not on every single attack like we do. Watching the weekly goal round up, especially in the prem, hardly any goals from crosses. Just spent 5 minutes typing that and don't know why I bothered TBH because nobody ever listens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Crosses were generally as bad as ever today. BUT.... 4 decent crosses still went in for Rhodes and he missed the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 minute ago, alanharper said: Crosses were generally as bad as ever today. BUT.... 4 decent crosses still went in for Rhodes and he missed the lot. Unfortunately this is true. Not the first game this season either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Think the first one caught him by surprise, the cross seemed to evade everybody and reached him at the back post and he fluffed it. Probably should be anticipating it better though. Then he completely missed 2 more decent crosses, then had the one with the soft header that should probably have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/13/2017 at 11:53, oh_weds_we_love_you said: This. Doesn't matter how many crosses we put in if they're sh*te crosses! Also doesnt matter how crosses we put in if the person on the end is shi*te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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