oh_weds_we_love_you Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, asteener1867 said: Been to every stadium you mention in recent memory, can't recall hearing it...your last sentence is purely hearsay.... Pure hearsay? I'm talking about mates who support other clubs around the country that use the reference "We all hate Leeds" during football chat. That's not hearsay, that's a fact! Next you'll be telling me Wednesday fans are the only fans to use the term "Dirty Leeds"...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 37 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: Leeds even outbid us for Strachan although they were in a lower league than us, and that's doubtless why Wilkinson left. It was Wilkinson who signed him for L**ds. I do take the point about us never having really splashed the cash though at times when we could have pushed on. That said, there is some irony that when we did, Trevor, Pleat and Wilson spunked some real big money (for the time ) which almost finished us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Ok mate...Anyone on here that watches Sky super Sunday etc...How many times have you heard fans of other clubs singin' about Leeds when they are not playing Leeds....80% of 'em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said: Cringey as roger. They love that song, it feeds their ego. No idea why anyone does it. better not disappoint them then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls about that Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 12 hours ago, Ali G said: I'd like to think we match them in size tbh, but when you look at their away attendances they beat us hands down and are now selling out at home. We'll take just over 1k on Friday and Leeds took 2.5k on a fri on sky etc. Also our away support at their place has been embarrassing last couple of seasons. Suppose them being a one team City helps a lot Cos they have a lot of support down south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) We're not a big club. End of. Or we're nowhere near as big as L**ds. Leeds have 15k season ticket holders because of a poo season last time out, Cellino causing further disillusionment among the fans and it becoming hard to justify spending all that money. Next season they'll sell more than 25k should they remain in the Championship and will average well over 30k. It's a one club city and the potential is huge. There was a reason for them wanting to move to a 55k seater stadium in the Ridsdale era. If they had a 55k seater and were doing well I.e in the top 10 they would fill it more often than not. Their national fanbase is behind only Arsenal, United and Liverpool and will have loads of glory hunting kids wanting to go to a Elland Road. The city has 750k inhabitants ffs. Anyway who cares how big the club you support is? Seems to be pretty fashionable. Our away crowds are more highly thought of in terms of atmosphere than Leeds' and Hillsborough has a better atmosphere. Rather have 30 thousand passionate Wednesdayites than 50 thousand glory hunting rumblezoids who can't be arsed. If you give a roger about how big we are then at least we can all agree we are miles bigger than the Pigs. Edited January 17, 2017 by WAWAWestwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 As far as I'm concerned their support isn't anything special. Leeds is substantially bigger than Sheffield, with a far bigger catchment area, yet they average less / the same as us. We have Sheffield United to contend with, along with Barnsley and Rotherham just next door. Sheffield as a city averages over 50,000 football fans at home, Leeds is nowhere near that and certainly won't be any time soon. Until they can do that they aren't a huge club and will always remain a rugger town in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Also can someone explain to me how size of city is relevant? The Argentinians play rugby as well as football. Does that make them a rugby nation with no footballing heritage? 2 World Cups?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zed Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Even taking into account Rhino's (15k) and Cricket (one man and his dog) it's still puzzling why Leeds aren't selling 30k+ seats when doing crap. They were getting sub-20k in 80's so the current owner isn't an explanation for that. Easily the worst supported club in England considering the potential of what they should get. Only conclusion I can think of is the historical hooligan element puts off alot of 'normal' fans like is probably the case with Millwall. Edited January 17, 2017 by Zed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, WAWAWestwood said: Also can someone explain to me how size of city is relevant? The Argentinians play rugby as well as football. Does that make them a rugby nation with no footballing heritage? 2 World Cups?? Because everyone tosses off over Leeds having such a great fan base, when in reality it's nothing special. Leeds isn't too far shy of three times bigger than Newcastle, yet they average double what Leeds do. That's pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elyowl1 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Interesting comparison of city size , Leeds are very poorly supported their residents in comparison to some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Zed said: Even taking into account Rhino's (15k) and Cricket (one man and his dog) it's still puzzling why Leeds aren't selling 30k+ seats when doing crap. They were getting sub-20k in 80's so the current owner isn't an explanation for that. Easily the worst supported club in England considering the potential of what they should get. Only conclusion I can think of is the historical hooligan element puts off alot of 'normal' fans like is probably the case with Millwall. Perhaps but the prices are steep and many are boycotting. Hooliganism does not put fans off. I went as a kid to a game with a friend and his dad. They were playing Chelsea in, probably, 2001. Felt very safe in the Family Stand so certainly doesn't put people off. Not many clubs would be getting crowds like they did at those prices after dropping to the third tier and having a succession of terrible owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Athelwulf said: The truth is that all the big cities have "bigger" clubs than Wednesday. But that's because they were run in a different way, not because the air's different there. How on earth could Shankley, Busby and Revie have worked their magic at S6 on no money? Our board were administrators, and the most anybody put in was Dave Allen with a couple of million quid. Leeds even outbid us for Strachan although they were in a lower league than us, and that's doubtless why Wilkinson left. It's remarkable that Wednesday played in the top division all those seasons with that system, but in the end it simply couldn't generate sufficient wealth and that's why we were relegated. When Mandy took over it really was a turning point, and you can argue that it was the most important event in the club's history. Almost 50 years after the maximum wage was abolished, Wednesday finally modernized. So the question really is irrelevant, because the rules have changed now. What went before is well and truly gone. Maybe that's true but in the early days, London, Birmingham were bigger cities than us and still are but few could rival us, along with PNE etc in the early years. Leeds about the same size of Sheffield in the 50's. Liverpool and Manchester have never been bigger than Sheffield in recent history that is. We did put a whole lot of dosh in but most went on the ground rather than players. Harry Catterick famously got the dolls on cos we wouldn't stump on a player. But in them days we were talkin peanuts, lose change by present day standards. Liverpool got lucky with a fantastic manager along with Man U. Can't remember now, but a famous Wednesday player in the early 60's asked for more money or to be on parity with our star player at the time, the chairman said, 'he is a better footballer than you, hence he gets a bigger pay cheque....to which he responded, not in the flippingsummer he ain't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Orlando_Trustful said: Because everyone tosses off over Leeds having such a great fan base, when in reality it's nothing special. Leeds isn't too far shy of three times bigger than Newcastle, yet they average double what Leeds do. That's pitiful. A Champions League winning manager manages them, have got attractive (£50) season tickets for under 18s and also there's a big university across the road with students who aren't necessarily Newcastle fans going to the odd game. Also they've not been down for 12 years and haven't had chaos to deal with behind the scenes. Also the North East has a big population so effectively it's not too far behind Leeds per one team Edited January 17, 2017 by WAWAWestwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, elyowl1 said: Interesting comparison of city size , Leeds are very poorly supported their residents in comparison to some Crikey, Portsmouth and Southampton folks won't be happy about being lumped in together!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, WAWAWestwood said: haven't had chaos to deal with behind the scenes. Ermmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Not counting metropolitan areas. Newcastle on its own is under 300K, Leeds is over 700K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zed Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, elyowl1 said: Interesting comparison of city size , Leeds are very poorly supported their residents in comparison to some One thing which may go against all the northern clubs longterm is the south is where all the wealth/jobs growth is. Southern towns will probably grow in size and northern one's stagnate or lower; Liverpool had 1 million people at it's peak and has halfed. Could see clubs, like Brighton, growing in strength longterm. Edited January 17, 2017 by Zed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Grimbarian said: Ermmm... By chaos I meant financially imploding, points deductions. You know that sort of chaos. Not whinging about yer owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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