Paul.. Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just now, WAWAWestwood said: By chaos I meant financially imploding, points deductions. You know that sort of chaos. Not whinging about yer owner Yeah I know, just found the whole "cockney mafia" protests so funny it was a good excuse to dig the pics out ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Leeds is a one team City and they're also helped by being surrounded by areas that are non-football (Wakefield/ Pontefract/ Wetherby type of places that are sort of suburbs of Leeds) There's also a lot of areas around em with what used to be 4th div clubs. 10/15,yrs ago Ull/ Udders/ Bradfud / York etc were just competing for survival and not likely to do owt. Leeds has a huge catchment area Edited January 17, 2017 by Big Ron's Sovereign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Zed said: One thing which may go against all the northern clubs longterm is the south is where all the wealth/jobs growth is. Southern towns will probably grow in size and northern one's stagnate or lower; Liverpool had 1 million people at it's peak and has halfed. Could see clubs, like Brighton, growing in strength longterm. Which reminds me of another point. With a lot of foreign players being touted you often hear how much they fancy a London club. Not sure that was as big a factor at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selbyowls Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1991-1992 The season Leeds won championship, 2nd Manchester United, 3rd Owls<last season before prem> No. Club Div Average 1 Manchester United 1 44.984 4,1% 2 Liverpool 1 34.799 -3,4% 3 Arsenal 1 31.905 -13,5% 4 Sheffield Wednesday 1 29.560 11,1% 5 Leeds United 1 29.459 0,5% 6 Tottenham Hotspur 1 27.761 -9,4% 7 Manchester City 1 27.690 -0,7% 8 Aston Villa 1 24.818 -3,3% 9 Nottingham Forest 1 23.721 7,2% 10 Everton 1 23.148 -7,5% 11 Sheffield United 1 22.097 3,0% 12 West Ham United 1 21.342 -5,4% 13 Newcastle United 2 21.148 25,6% 14 Chelsea 1 18.686 -9,9% 15 Sunderland 2 18.390 -18,5% 16 Crystal Palace 1 17.618 -10,4% 17 Leicester City 2 15.202 31,7% 18 Oldham Athletic 1 15.087 13,9% 19 Middlesbrough 2 14.703 -13,6% 20 Derby County 2 14.664 -9,8% 21 Ipswich Town 2 14.274 21,3% 22 Southampton 1 14.070 -8,7% 23 Coventry City 1 13.876 0,6% 24 Norwich City 1 13.858 -10,4% 25 Wolverhampton Wanderers 2 13.743 -13,2% 26 Queens Park Rangers 1 13.592 0,5% 27 Blackburn Rovers 2 13.250 63,1% 28 Stoke City 3 13.007 12,5% 29 West Bromwich Albion 3 12.711 6,0% 30 Birmingham City 3 12.400 76,4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, Zed said: One thing which may go against all the northern clubs longterm is the south is where all the wealth/jobs growth is. Southern towns will probably grow in size and northern one's stagnate or lower; Liverpool had 1 million people at it's peak and has halfed. Could see clubs, like Brighton, growing in strength longterm. On the other hand Arsenal average around 60,000 per game, I think ours is 22,500 but there are about 10-12 times less people in Sheffield, 10 x 22,500 = 225,000 so that makes us better supported than Arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron's Sovereign Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, selbyowls said: 1991-1992 The season Leeds won championship, 2nd Manchester United, 3rd Owls<last season before prem> No. Club Div Average 1 Manchester United 1 44.984 4,1% 2 Liverpool 1 34.799 -3,4% 3 Arsenal 1 31.905 -13,5% 4 Sheffield Wednesday 1 29.560 11,1% 5 Leeds United 1 29.459 0,5% 6 Tottenham Hotspur 1 27.761 -9,4% 7 Manchester City 1 27.690 -0,7% 8 Aston Villa 1 24.818 -3,3% 9 Nottingham Forest 1 23.721 7,2% 10 Everton 1 23.148 -7,5% 11 Sheffield United 1 22.097 3,0% 12 West Ham United 1 21.342 -5,4% 13 Newcastle United 2 21.148 25,6% 14 Chelsea 1 18.686 -9,9% 15 Sunderland 2 18.390 -18,5% 16 Crystal Palace 1 17.618 -10,4% 17 Leicester City 2 15.202 31,7% 18 Oldham Athletic 1 15.087 13,9% 19 Middlesbrough 2 14.703 -13,6% 20 Derby County 2 14.664 -9,8% 21 Ipswich Town 2 14.274 21,3% 22 Southampton 1 14.070 -8,7% 23 Coventry City 1 13.876 0,6% 24 Norwich City 1 13.858 -10,4% 25 Wolverhampton Wanderers 2 13.743 -13,2% 26 Queens Park Rangers 1 13.592 0,5% 27 Blackburn Rovers 2 13.250 63,1% 28 Stoke City 3 13.007 12,5% 29 West Bromwich Albion 3 12.711 6,0% 30 Birmingham City 3 12.400 76,4 ? What's the percentage for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Are they bigger? Yes Are they FAR bigger? No Do I give a shuffle? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: ? What's the percentage for? Not sure, but notice ourselves, Oldham and West Ham are in blue and we were the 3 sides promoted the year before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selbyowls Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Lord Snooty said: Not sure, but notice ourselves, Oldham and West Ham are in blue and we were the 3 sides promoted the year before attendance percentage - fall and rise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, selbyowls said: 1991-1992 The season Leeds won championship, 2nd Manchester United, 3rd Owls<last season before prem> No. Club Div Average 1 Manchester United 1 44.984 4,1% 2 Liverpool 1 34.799 -3,4% 3 Arsenal 1 31.905 -13,5% 4 Sheffield Wednesday 1 29.560 11,1% 5 Leeds United 1 29.459 0,5% 6 Tottenham Hotspur 1 27.761 -9,4% 7 Manchester City 1 27.690 -0,7% 8 Aston Villa 1 24.818 -3,3% 9 Nottingham Forest 1 23.721 7,2% 10 Everton 1 23.148 -7,5% 11 Sheffield United 1 22.097 3,0% 12 West Ham United 1 21.342 -5,4% 13 Newcastle United 2 21.148 25,6% 14 Chelsea 1 18.686 -9,9% 15 Sunderland 2 18.390 -18,5% 16 Crystal Palace 1 17.618 -10,4% 17 Leicester City 2 15.202 31,7% 18 Oldham Athletic 1 15.087 13,9% 19 Middlesbrough 2 14.703 -13,6% 20 Derby County 2 14.664 -9,8% 21 Ipswich Town 2 14.274 21,3% 22 Southampton 1 14.070 -8,7% 23 Coventry City 1 13.876 0,6% 24 Norwich City 1 13.858 -10,4% 25 Wolverhampton Wanderers 2 13.743 -13,2% 26 Queens Park Rangers 1 13.592 0,5% 27 Blackburn Rovers 2 13.250 63,1% 28 Stoke City 3 13.007 12,5% 29 West Bromwich Albion 3 12.711 6,0% 30 Birmingham City 3 12.400 76,4 Surely some sort of error here!! Newcastle only averaging 21 thousand. Everyone knows that 'The most loyal fans in the world' TM have always turned up in numbers of over 50,000 every single week with another 20,000 locked out- since the club's inception! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zed Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, selbyowls said: 1991-1992 The season Leeds won championship, 2nd Manchester United, 3rd Owls<last season before prem> No. Club Div Average 1 Manchester United 1 44.984 4,1% 2 Liverpool 1 34.799 -3,4% 3 Arsenal 1 31.905 -13,5% 4 Sheffield Wednesday 1 29.560 11,1% 5 Leeds United 1 29.459 0,5% 6 Tottenham Hotspur 1 27.761 -9,4% 7 Manchester City 1 27.690 -0,7% 8 Aston Villa 1 24.818 -3,3% 9 Nottingham Forest 1 23.721 7,2% 10 Everton 1 23.148 -7,5% 11 Sheffield United 1 22.097 3,0% 12 West Ham United 1 21.342 -5,4% 13 Newcastle United 2 21.148 25,6% 14 Chelsea 1 18.686 -9,9% 15 Sunderland 2 18.390 -18,5% 16 Crystal Palace 1 17.618 -10,4% 17 Leicester City 2 15.202 31,7% 18 Oldham Athletic 1 15.087 13,9% 19 Middlesbrough 2 14.703 -13,6% 20 Derby County 2 14.664 -9,8% 21 Ipswich Town 2 14.274 21,3% 22 Southampton 1 14.070 -8,7% 23 Coventry City 1 13.876 0,6% 24 Norwich City 1 13.858 -10,4% 25 Wolverhampton Wanderers 2 13.743 -13,2% 26 Queens Park Rangers 1 13.592 0,5% 27 Blackburn Rovers 2 13.250 63,1% 28 Stoke City 3 13.007 12,5% 29 West Bromwich Albion 3 12.711 6,0% 30 Birmingham City 3 12.400 76,4 Leeds hadn't built their new two tier stand though - no idea name of it - stadium was maybe restricted to 30k in 1991? Interesting though, Everton getting 23k, now it's 40k every game. Wednesday seemed to time thing unluckily, we peaked just before football became far more popular due to Euro 96 and extra money; coincided with our decline. I remember going to Chelsea in the mid 90's, just when they had signed Gullit; 16k the attendance, with a crappy removable stand where the shed was. Never would have guessed the change in fortune between the two clubs. Was sat next to a cockney in the wednesday end who was supporting Wednesday; bet he wasn't when we hit the third tier :D Edited January 17, 2017 by Zed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiejohn Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 No they are not a bigger club they are more hyped mainly by regional media but also the national media In my time watching football we have got bigger gates than them on many occasions despite not having anywhere near the investment and having far more rubbish to put up with Just look at the weekend both clubs had biggish games and they are on their best run for years while we had a couple of bad results who got the bigger gate? We have also won more despite them having far more investment. Take away the hype and you see two clubs of similar size one of which has class one wich doesn't and you don't need to be a genius to work out wich is wich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selbyowls Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Zed said: Leeds hadn't built their new two tier stand though - no idea name of it - stadium was maybe restricted to 30k in 1991? Interesting though, Everton getting 23k, now it's 40k every game. Wednesday seemed to time thing unluckily, we peaked just before football became far more popular due to Euro 96 and extra money; coincided with our decline. If we were the 4th best supported team 91/92 our potential is massive so we should forget dirty Leeds and the best supported team in the world Newcastle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, selbyowls said: If we were the 4th best supported team 91/92 our potential is massive so we should forget dirty Leeds and the best supported team in the world Newcastle! It was literally 29k pal. Steady on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Hardly 'massive' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, WAWAWestwood said: It was literally 29k pal. Steady on True. Think the point is though. .. how many of those clubs in there seem to have gained 10 thousand+ fans since then. No reason we couldn't do the same with regular Premier League football and top household International players on the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Chelsea, Everton, Villa, Spurs, Newcastle, Leeds, Sunderland, Us even our nearest rivals dem blunties were more a less on par depending on a good season or a bad. And don't forget Man City dropped significantly crowd wise, even though historically they had more support than their manure neighbours. Now, (all bar 1 -;) outnumber us. But we are Sheffield Wednesday and we are on our way back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWAWestwood Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lord Snooty said: True. Think the point is though. .. how many of those clubs in there seem to have gained 10 thousand+ fans since then. No reason we couldn't do the same with regular Premier League football and top household International players on the books. Sheffield isn't big enough to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I've been at Hillsborough a quite a few times over the years with more than 45k, and twice over 50k. We started to get crap when seating was put in and sky took over the world just a bad chain of events...others got lucky the other way. Prices go up crowds go down if you are not at the races....as others will find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, WAWAWestwood said: Sheffield isn't big enough to be honest Do tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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