StudentOwl Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I would insist he were a troll were not every one of his posts made with seeming 100% dedication. Unless... Neil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 888 You tell em mate. I'm more a numbers man like you. 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
888 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) RichieB Did you mean: you was not insulting me with your first post ? well i miss understood the fact you was calling my post messed up as not having a go at me as a kid of 12 you must except my apology Edited July 30, 2015 by 888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
888 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 yes 33 its a game of sheep on here its either follow the rest or be called a pig fan and abused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcx666 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 yes 33 its a game of sheep on here its either follow the rest or be called a pig fan and abused but you are following the rest. Plenty of people on here blame Roeder for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapSmurf Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Glenn Roeder This guy is really disliked by many a football fan , His love of loan players and not caring what fans think for their favourite players and he was always sacked from clubs not a person you would want to employe if it was your own company More and more I'm thinking the bad advice Dejphon has had over ticket pricing must be coming from his advisor Glen Roeder We all know As a businessman selling a fan based product like football ,you require as many people in the stands and around the club as possible And in return a winning team with good facilities to get the fans already coming to introduce more people to the experience So why push the prices to such a price that common sense says will damper peoples view of the new regime in the club? The feel good factor sharply dropped after the announcement of the pricing structure , the view of Sheffield Wednesday dropped significantly by away supporters also Over the pricing of the tickets , i believe you still can't buy an alcoholic drink on the away end at ours . ​The decision to bring in CC and his set up was from Glenn again , who else could advise this? another guy who has been sacked from all the clubs he has worked for Because he is also a great talker but can not get the team to play his design of football So we have in the past given new managers and chairmans a good deal of time to settle in at Sheffield Wednesday as much as we have not liked a situation its normally given a long period of time before people are showing their discontent This year we have had 3 things unpopular brought to the club , Glenn Roeder ,CC and ticket prices So how long before the gamble for bringing in the three things pays off and the fans are in a good feeling to go matches or how many games of just ok performance before the fans are booing the Manager the team the prices and Roeder ? or do we boo the Chairman to get the change done? I remember Villa fans covering the shirt sponsors a few years ago , i think knowing Thai culture if things where bad if we did the same he might actually start to run the club With out people such as Eroeder I really hope this gamble/experiment pays off as i think by bonfire night if we are not top 4 fans will be very unhappy , the mentality is we pay for Ferrari we want to see the performance of a Ferrari and not a Ford Escort This is against the good brought to the club like Pitch with its collar and cuffs ( blue edging and recaro dug out seats ) a new scoreboard and the distracting digital advertisement boards new tv on the concourse always handy to watch the match live I really hope we are going to storm the league and will never not support the club and hope This time CC and Eroeder have got a plan WAWAW I am not entirely sure where to start with this, but I am not going to -1 your initial post. This is want you currently think or believe and so you have posted based on that. I do believe however that you are incorrect on many levels. Glenn Roeder maybe is disliked by a certain number of fans, but mainly the fans of the clubs who he has managed. Yet what are they basing their dislike on? The average football fan knows very little of what goes on behind the scenes and they base their own oponions of a manager on results and their own expectations, which are very often much greater than what in reality can be achieved. The number of our own fans who think we will walk in to the top 6 this season is an example of fans expectation exceeding a realistic outcome - although of course I do hope I am proved wrong on this count. Should we not achieve a top 6 finish, these fans will no doubt form a negative opinion of CC because he didn't achieve their own expectations. If you were to speak to fans of any of the 5 clubs he (edit - GR) has managed, I am certain what you would find is a mixed reaction. Some good, some not so good. So the dislike is not 100% of these fans, but quite possibly a small, vocal minority. There is some statistic or para-phrase that suggests if a person recieves good service in a restaurant for instance, that he or she might mention this to one or two people. However if the service was bad, the chance are they would tell 10 people. Not sure if this is true, but humans do seem to be more vocal regarding negativity and this could be the case for GR. So the reason we think GR is disliked by many fans is because those who see his merit aren't as vocal as those who don't. His perception is therefore totally unbalanced. My family are connected throughout football, so I do hear a little bit more about the game in general than the average Joe. I am not ITK though, before anyone jumps to conclusions. However I can ask questions about certain individuals and possibly get a more accurate answers. What I understand is that GR is very well respected throughout the game, from his own peers, players and other people linked to football. Does that mean he is the right man for us? I can't say, but time will tell so we just have to let him get on with what he knows far more than us about. Did he have a say in the ticket prices? I very much doubt this, as it isn't his remit, isn't his area of expertise and we have far better placed individuals, in DC especially, who can make this call with an understanding of the bigger picture. So why the price increase? Without an understanding of aims and timeframes that DC has, I, and all other fans, cannot answer that question. Best guess though, extra revenue for "building" and a balancing of the books in line with what DC has targetted to spend. Seems too simple an answer, but what other reason would there be? Answers on the back of a stamp please. You say GR had a say in the appointment of CC. Can you provide evidence of this? I am guessing you can't, so your words were mere speculation to reinforce your dislike of GR. Perhaps I am wrong and you are right, so let's look at that scenario. GR may have suggested, due to an more in-depth understanding of what, as a business and football club, Sheffield Wednesday and DC personally are trying to achieve. DC may have had a laymans idea of what he wanted and GR has decoded that and offered suggestions. However it is my understanding the Jose Mourinho was approached for advice regarding CC, and love him or hate him, he is a very successful manager and has a vast knowledge of the game. If he gave his endorsement, who are we to argue? He has forgotten more than I ever knew about the game, and I guess the same would be applicable to you too. You asked the question of how long before the fans show their displeasure? Your question is exceptionally negative as you are already preparing for the worst. "How long before we fail, because fail we will?" is in short what you are suggesting. What are your parameters for success? Mid table? Top 10? Play-offs? Personally I was hoping for a top 10, pushing the play-offs, but I have no control over where we end up, so I don't stress about it. The pre-season results and comments from those attending and posting, which tend to be more negative don't forget, seems to suggest we have a much longer journey ahead that we first thought, dreamed or wished for. You yourself hope we are going to storm the league, and I think your post is simply looking to affirm this one statement, while suggesting every reason why it will not happen, and pinning that blame, before blame should even be considered, on the shoulders of GR - all due to the fact you read somwhere that he wasn't liked and thought you would jump in with that crowd. The reason I didn't neg you is pretty simple: you love Wednesday, of that there is no doubt - unless I have been hooked by a WUM! You want success for the team, and it hurts you to think it might not happen. You have probably posted out of frustration at something else and that is a very common reaction. You have every right to post your own opinions and every right to dispute mine. That's the beauty of this forum, but let's just stick with the facts and not jump on to bandwagons without full proof. It makes you look a reet proper Charlie otherwise, and I am sure you are not. Edited July 30, 2015 by ChapSmurf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 RichieB Did you mean: you was not insulting me with your first post ? well i miss understood the fact you was calling my post messed up as not having a go at me as a kid of 12 you must except my apology Yes, I was not insulting you, but what was written, attack the post and not the poster and all that jazz. I do think the opening post is the most ret*rded ignorant garbage iv read for a while with no basis and full of opinion only. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal M Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) OK. Too many different posters to send PM's to, so a General warning to reign this thread in. This thread may be absurd, but no more abuse, or threats of physical violence please. Even if they are meant as a joke. Reminder - threats are an absolute "no-no" on Owlstalk. It's a very quick way to a suspension or perma ban. And the OP. Be careful with what you post. Wild guesses about someone's role at the club, and what they are responsible for isn't sensible. Especially when you combine that with suggestions of incompetence. Edited July 30, 2015 by Neal M I move a lot of concrete on the QVC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cersei Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Can we have suspensions and perma bans for people who quote 8 paragraph posts with one sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieB Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 OK. Too many different posters to send PM's to, so a General warning to reign this thread in. This thread may be absurd, but no more abuse, or threats of physical violence please. Even if they are meant as a joke. Reminder - threats are an absolute "no-no" on Owlstalk. It's a very quick way to a suspension or perma ban. And the OP. Be careful with what you post. Wild guesses about someone's role at the club, and what they are responsible for isn't sensible. Especially when you combine that with suggestions of incompetence. Why was one of my posts removed. I never threatened anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
888 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 ChapSmurf hello Yes i was basing my post on a probability The ticket prices was a dig correct I do not have any proof or prior knowledge as anybody who has replied to say i am wrong The pricing i would say 2-10 chance i am correct based on his role as chief advisor , why would he not advice the structure of tickets to be sold to bring more money into the club for him to sign players he spots The selection of CC possibly 8-10 The selection of players coming in to the team 9-10 as it was on him who said his role was to sign new players and travel around looking for them My posting is out of frustration as just because somebody does something good and is giving with one hand its the taking with the other i am not pleased about and us losing 4-2 last night did not help Now my negative posting regarding the team and success is down to me being un happy that i am realistic to know the players we have signed are not going to storm the league we are good if we get above top8 I am asking how many matches wednesday fans are prepared to pay high prices with out success ? In the past as the pricing was reasonable and the nearest to a promise was MM who said we will balance the club and hope for mid table , but all the hype and fill the ground to the rafters but then pay an extra 10-14 pounds each for the gamble just does not sit well with me Nobody on this forum has 100% facts about this regime , the proof is we have been poor in the friendly games very much the same as our home form last season , this is the truth Nobody has come and shown me proof just cast their own thoughts back But yourself and a few others have at least been constructive in return to my posting Whitechapel was correct when he said i would be slaughtered for this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's complete speculation, I can assure you Mr Chansiri is taking advice from many sources, to attempt to lay the blame for ticket price increases at the feet of Roeder is a total nonsense.Total boll0x!!#speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
888 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) RichieB i apologise for what i have said to you i am wrong to say what i have said and to anybody else i have offended with my post I have my own opinions and they obviously are to bizarre to be the truth but why i have to go with the flow and not voice my opinions ? well the reasons are obvious with the response i have had Well role on next weekend and i hope we do storm the league and set a few new club records on the way and i am totally wrong Edited July 30, 2015 by 888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxondale Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 ChapSmurf hello Yes i was basing my post on a probability The ticket prices was a dig correct I do not have any proof or prior knowledge as anybody who has replied to say i am wrong The pricing i would say 2-10 chance i am correct based on his role as chief advisor , why would he not advice the structure of tickets to be sold to bring more money into the club for him to sign players he spots The selection of CC possibly 8-10 The selection of players coming in to the team 9-10 as it was on him who said his role was to sign new players and travel around looking for them My posting is out of frustration as just because somebody does something good and is giving with one hand its the taking with the other i am not pleased about and us losing 4-2 last night did not help Now my negative posting regarding the team and success is down to me being un happy that i am realistic to know the players we have signed are not going to storm the league we are good if we get above top8 I am asking how many matches wednesday fans are prepared to pay high prices with out success ? In the past as the pricing was reasonable and the nearest to a promise was MM who said we will balance the club and hope for mid table , but all the hype and fill the ground to the rafters but then pay an extra 10-14 pounds each for the gamble just does not sit well with me Nobody on this forum has 100% facts about this regime , the proof is we have been poor in the friendly games very much the same as our home form last season , this is the truth Nobody has come and shown me proof just cast their own thoughts back But yourself and a few others have at least been constructive in return to my posting Whitechapel was correct when he said i would be slaughtered for this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Delete this garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Total boll0x!! #speculation Seriously.....which bit is boll0x? It's a fact that Mr Chansiri has employed people to advise so I assume you also believe Roeder is responsible for the ticket price increases.........classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxondale Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Delete this garbage. Was just thinking the same. Just the title is annoying me when I see it in the matchday list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapSmurf Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 ChapSmurf hello Yes i was basing my post on a probability The ticket prices was a dig correct I do not have any proof or prior knowledge as anybody who has replied to say i am wrong The pricing i would say 2-10 chance i am correct based on his role as chief advisor , why would he not advice the structure of tickets to be sold to bring more money into the club for him to sign players he spots The selection of CC possibly 8-10 The selection of players coming in to the team 9-10 as it was on him who said his role was to sign new players and travel around looking for them My posting is out of frustration as just because somebody does something good and is giving with one hand its the taking with the other i am not pleased about and us losing 4-2 last night did not help Now my negative posting regarding the team and success is down to me being un happy that i am realistic to know the players we have signed are not going to storm the league we are good if we get above top8 I am asking how many matches wednesday fans are prepared to pay high prices with out success ? In the past as the pricing was reasonable and the nearest to a promise was MM who said we will balance the club and hope for mid table , but all the hype and fill the ground to the rafters but then pay an extra 10-14 pounds each for the gamble just does not sit well with me Nobody on this forum has 100% facts about this regime , the proof is we have been poor in the friendly games very much the same as our home form last season , this is the truth Nobody has come and shown me proof just cast their own thoughts back But yourself and a few others have at least been constructive in return to my posting Whitechapel was correct when he said i would be slaughtered for this post Yeah, Whitechapel was correct but it was an easy call as you did put your neck on the block I'm afraid. I think the dig at the ticket prices is justified - if that's the correct word. I was shocked when I heard what they were, and like you I will now have bigger expectations. However, I know that these are just my expectations with no control over how they can be achieved. The price hikes have been widely codemned and I think there was even a thread or 27 about it, but I honestly do not think that GR has made any decision in this area. If he has, it would have been something that DC had ultimate control over, and in my opinion it was he who made the finall decision. If GR was involved, again in my opinion, any discussion would have been initiated by DC himself, with GR offering feedback. GR's recommendation of CC? You could be right, but again the final decision after further consultation with others in the game would have been DC's. If you correct in your assumption, then GR will have offered several choices I am sure, not just CC. As for GR selecting players, I think that one is already a given, although again the final decision will be DC's, but purely from a financial perspective I would think. I am miffed at losing last night, but hey, it isn't the end of the world is it, but I understand your frustration. I think your frustration of the players not being good enough is purely based on the pre-season games and what YouTube has to offer with regards to player compilations. I am not having a dig as I check out YT too - it means nothing really though, but it is nice to watch and think we have the next best thing. However, results so far are way below what I expected and I do have some concerns, like you. Just don't get yourself too wound up about it though, as there is nothing you can do to change it, and that is where the frustration comes from. Plus the fact you love the club, like we all do, and just want to see success. Amen to that. I still can't answer your questions how long fans are prepared to go without success, but I would guess that with the price increases, a lot less than before. It's still a question of expectation though, and how and what your own personal view of success means and the timeframe it should be achieved in. I can't show you proof that what I am saying is true, only offer a different viewpoint. I just think you may have put your fingers in to action without first thinking precisely what you wanted to say, and hey, we are all guily of doing that from time-to-time. And as for being constructive, it is all too easy to be destructive in replies and that really achieves nothing. I don't even know you, so why slag you off (not having a pop at anyone who has btw)? Forums are places to debate, not argue. Arguements are for junior school playgrounds, and if anyone disagrees I will see you outside after the last bell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Glenn Roeder This guy is really disliked by many a football fan , His love of loan players and not caring what fans think for their favourite players and he was always sacked from clubs not a person you would want to employe if it was your own company More and more I'm thinking the bad advice Dejphon has had over ticket pricing must be coming from his advisor Glen Roeder We all know As a businessman selling a fan based product like football ,you require as many people in the stands and around the club as possible And in return a winning team with good facilities to get the fans already coming to introduce more people to the experience So why push the prices to such a price that common sense says will damper peoples view of the new regime in the club? The feel good factor sharply dropped after the announcement of the pricing structure , the view of Sheffield Wednesday dropped significantly by away supporters also Over the pricing of the tickets , i believe you still can't buy an alcoholic drink on the away end at ours . ​The decision to bring in CC and his set up was from Glenn again , who else could advise this? another guy who has been sacked from all the clubs he has worked for Because he is also a great talker but can not get the team to play his design of football So we have in the past given new managers and chairmans a good deal of time to settle in at Sheffield Wednesday as much as we have not liked a situation its normally given a long period of time before people are showing their discontent This year we have had 3 things unpopular brought to the club , Glenn Roeder ,CC and ticket prices So how long before the gamble for bringing in the three things pays off and the fans are in a good feeling to go matches or how many games of just ok performance before the fans are booing the Manager the team the prices and Roeder ? or do we boo the Chairman to get the change done? I remember Villa fans covering the shirt sponsors a few years ago , i think knowing Thai culture if things where bad if we did the same he might actually start to run the club With out people such as Eroeder I really hope this gamble/experiment pays off as i think by bonfire night if we are not top 4 fans will be very unhappy , the mentality is we pay for Ferrari we want to see the performance of a Ferrari and not a Ford Escort This is against the good brought to the club like Pitch with its collar and cuffs ( blue edging and recaro dug out seats ) a new scoreboard and the distracting digital advertisement boards new tv on the concourse always handy to watch the match live I really hope we are going to storm the league and will never not support the club and hope This time CC and Eroeder have got a plan WAWAW I wasnt going to read this but then noticed it had -58 so felt I had too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapSmurf Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Quick summary. He said summat, I disagreed, he doesn't agree with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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