gurujuan Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well it's split opinion, which system we use. For me, 451 is the way forward, especially as most teams play it. We were completely overrun in midfield and were rarely able to control the midfield for any length of time. We do need some penetration though and COG, bless him, is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesWalker Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Formations mean very little in today's game. Teams interchange players and positions throughout the match. Long gone are the days of a rigid 4-4-2 with two forwards. The game has changed so much it's not a case of 4-4-2 v 4-5-1. Don't get me wrong, defensive shape and discipline is vital to success (look at Spain & Barca without the ball), but just because we have one 'named' striker on the team sheet doesn't instantly equal a negative approach. A formation is only as good as the players that are in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KivoOwl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 4-4-2 - conceded 2 a game, shocking run 4-5-1 - conceding 1 a game, performances improving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mas Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 4-4-2 - conceded 2 a game, shocking run 4-5-1 - conceding 1 a game, performances improving 4-4-2 = 2 wins 4-5-1 = 0 wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smhouston Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 4-4-2 = 2 wins 4-5-1 = 0 wins we've played 5 games in a row with 4-5-1, and 5 games with 4-4-2 (since losing run and including cup) and they've yielded: 4-4-2 = 0 wins, 0 draws, 5 defeats, 3 scored, 12 conceded 4-5-1 = 0 wins, 2 draws, 3 defeats, 5 scored, 7 conceded Also performances have increased a hell of a lot since swapping to 4-5-1 I know what I'd prefer to use ATM, however, it HAS to be O'Grady upfront, Madine is not a target man. Several of us have been saying this for weeks when people were calling for him to be played instead of O'Grady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mas Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 we've played 5 games in a row with 4-5-1, and 5 games with 4-4-2 (since losing run and including cup) and they've yielded: 4-4-2 = 0 wins, 0 draws, 5 defeats, 3 scored, 12 conceded 4-5-1 = 0 wins, 2 draws, 3 defeats, 5 scored, 7 conceded Also performances have increased a hell of a lot since swapping to 4-5-1 I know what I'd prefer to use ATM, however, it HAS to be O'Grady upfront, Madine is not a target man. Several of us have been saying this for weeks when people were calling for him to be played instead of O'Grady what about before the losing run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Dave Jones's interview before Ipswich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musingowl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Dave Jones's interview before Ipswich? Ahhhh beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Ahhhh beat me to it! Snooze you lose mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smhouston Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 what about before the losing run? Who cares about before the losing run? That was a long time ago, get over it. What matters is what's happened since the awful run and how to address it, and by looking at it there is a very slight improvement. Even if you just look at the performances you can still see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDAZ Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 A few weeks ago some were suggesting that we opted to a 451 to help us out defensively. That appears to be what Jones has done. At the end of the day, the constant switching of formations won't work. 451 can work,providing players get close enough to the forward man and the players fit the system. 442 will probably leave you slightly open in this division, especially if your wingers are Antonio and Johnson who will prefer to the do the attacking side rather than the defensive side. That leaves the two centre midfielders incredibly open and Wednesday are exposed. The 451 will allow Wednesday to control the game and allow the better ball players like Ross Barkley and the lad Corry to have the ball and get closer to the forward with the added protection that there in an extra man in midfield to cover them. I personally wouldn't switch from the 451. I very much prefer it to 442. But I guess it depends on the service being given to the front man and how Jones wants to use the system. Bang on lad. It's how we're set up and told to play within the system. This is why it's not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JC Saviour Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 No but we've looked a lot more solid with it, we've even needed 3 goals to win the 2 games we have won? Hardly anyone plays 4-4-2 nowadays. Had we had a decent central striker who knows where the net is and can fashion a chance on his own against Leeds and last night then we would've pi$$ed both games. The only way any team can play a 4-5-1 is with a decent striker. End of argument because we ain't got one. This formation with the current crop of players will certainly get the team relegated. We need goals to win games, unless Jones is hoping for nil nils every sodding game. In the last few games, I wonder how many clear cut chances we have had, but DJ still persists in sticking with the same old formation but with different players. Never in a month of Sundays is it going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDAZ Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 The only way any team can play a 4-5-1 is with a decent striker. End of argument because we ain't got one. This formation with the current crop of players will certainly get the team relegated. We need goals to win games, unless Jones is hoping for nil nils every sodding game. In the last few games, I wonder how many clear cut chances we have had, but DJ still persists in sticking with the same old formation but with different players. Never in a month of Sundays is it going to work. We have got one.. Jay Bothroyd. Perfect for the one man up top role. Problem is we don't have the quality wide to take Bothroyds place. JJ & Antonio cannot play in the same team. They're too similar and do not produce consistent enough delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JC Saviour Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 We have got one.. Jay Bothroyd. Perfect for the one man up top role. Problem is we don't have the quality wide to take Bothroyds place. JJ & Antonio cannot play in the same team. They're too similar and do not produce consistent enough delivery. I agree but I think Bothroyd is playing better now out wide. If only we had someone decent for him to play into. That is the key area where DJ,MM have to resolve quickly. We need a striker who is capable of putting half decent chances away. Apart from, there isn't an awful lot wrong with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I cant understand why we changed the formation, weve got 4 fit strikers and played okay against leeds with 4-4-2 and we changed to 4-5-1, if anything it should have been 5-4-1 Did we not play 4-5-1 against Leeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 We have got one.. Jay Bothroyd. Perfect for the one man up top role. Problem is we don't have the quality wide to take Bothroyds place. JJ & Antonio cannot play in the same team. They're too similar and do not produce consistent enough delivery. We're in big trouble arent we? For me we need to sign another couple of players. I know that has been identified as a possible cause of our bad run but for me it was right to do the surgery - Its the way its been performed that has been pretty disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRADDAZ Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I agree but I think Bothroyd is playing better now out wide. If only we had someone decent for him to play into. That is the key area where DJ,MM have to resolve quickly. We need a striker who is capable of putting half decent chances away. Apart from, there isn't an awful lot wrong with the team. Yes Bothroyd is playing well, but it's hardly surprising coming from a quality footballer. Ultimately though, he's best up front, his career has proved this. He has the all round game to play up front on his own and he's got the goals in him. The problem though is getting him the service. Basically it's either.. A) Bring a striker in and keep Bothroyd out of position wide. B) Bring in a wide player with consistent delivery, who will help us play either 4-4-2 (we can't with JJ & Antonio) or 4-5-1 and play Bothroyd up front where he's played all his career. C) Bring in both....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Having 12 men on the pitch would certainly help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) I think 433 is the better system but you need to have players who fit the system and it takes a long time to get a team playing effectively. I reckon players are either goal scorers or not. Irrespective of position or system they will score. Eg reda. At the moment we just don't have enough of them in the team. Edited October 25, 2012 by oldishowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Having 12 men on the pitch would certainly help. I did put it as jj/Antonio but it doesnt recognise the / character. 4-6-1 - its the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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