Football in general just isn't the same....

[Tollertonowl]

A game that was previously played by teams with local players with a passion/ love (short career/ small wages) and also enjoyed as value/cheap family entertainment by the Working Classes on a weekend for well over 100yrs has (since the 90's) been increasingly turned into a corporate Money making machine... The main changes to football were in the early to late 90's, which I think were the catalyst to our current situation such as the introduction of the premier league, Sky TV buying the rights to televise games, Jack Walker spending hand over fist to buy the Premier League title for Blackburn along with extreme fee's/ wages for players and then concurrently the Bosman ruling, which has resulted in clubs losing out on transfer fee's from players/ football agents fees increased/ players cashing in on signing on fee's and wage demands . Maybe the Bosman ruling is the main cause of hyper inflation of players wages/ costs to clubs/ increased costs to supporters... Anyway the result from this and possibly other factors I've failed to mention accelerated a lot of established football clubs to enter administration within a few years, which statistically less than 15 clubs had before 1995 and after the ruling over 50 clubs have so far entered administration, which are predominantly lower league clubs who have been unable to cash in on key players (transfer fee) accordingly. IMO players should have the right to move clubs if they have the opportunity to move/ progress to higher divisions. However I also think that signing on fee's should be abolished and governing bodies like UEFA/ FA/ PL etc. should limit squad numbers and also stipulate squad players of PL clubs to ensure that the cash rich clubs like Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea etc. don't buy up and coming players to then sit in their reserves/ U 23's and then just rot... They should also ensure that players past clubs (lower league if limited squad numbers) are compensated after the players contract expires by the next club accordingly, as these clubs have sourced/ developed them as players and were previously (as small clubs) reliant on transfer fees to reinvest in the club/ development of other players... In terms of compensation to other (past) clubs I would expect that a player like J Vardy for example at Leicester who are a PL team and therefore paid circa £140M based on their position... So maybe Leicester retain 90% of this value and the other £14M (10%) is distributed pro rata to all of their players previous clubs that he/they(others) played in football league games below the first division (PL or equivalent). Further to this the FA needs to align with the PL on FFP rules as other than Man Utd, Liverpool and maybe Arsenal none of the other (now so called) successful big clubs like Chelsea & Man City aren't big clubs without extreme investment by their foreign owners... Then relegated teams from the PL have parachute payments yet long term championship teams following a PL model now have consolidated penalties/ embargoes etc... That snowball the issues...BTW i've had a drink....

[heppers]

[Inspector Lestrade]

Yet football has never been more popular.  

 

The glamour by the top six to breakaway in the spring has done untold harm and I believe that football will see a slide in its popularity. 

[myHero]

4 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

Yet football has never been more popular.  

 

The glamour by the top six to breakaway in the spring has done untold harm and I believe that football will see a slide in its popularity. 

Don't believe the hype. The popularity has already waned.

 

[Manwë]

Rangers have sold 44000 season tickets, the Blunts 20000.  They're just the two I know about

 

Football is going nowhere. 

 

As for the OP, why should previous owners of players get 10% of a fee by default?   Just buy and sell at a price all agree on.   If Wednesday kicked Vardy out for being too short, and he himself dragged himself up again, and made other teams profits whenever he was bought, what right do Wednesday have for a share of the 10%?   

 

Keep it simple.  

[Tracksuit]

Maybe there should be an ‘academy tax’ taken from transfer fee’s.

 

When a player moves from the club that developed them they receive a transfer fee.

 

if that player moves on again perhaps the club that developed the player from a young prospect should be awarded 2-3% of that transfer fee.

 

A fee of £30m for example would trigger a £600’000 windfall for the original club.

 

Not mega money by any stretch but enough to encourage clubs to develop their own players & would be a welcome source of income for clubs lower down the pecking order.

 

Ultimately the wealth in football has been hoarded at the very top for too long & there needs to be efforts to level the playing field over the league system a bit otherwise the competition element dies.

 

[alan48]

Competition is already dead . The 4 richest clubs have taken the 4 top places in the P L and on they go to more riches in Europe . 

At least further down the pecking order there's always room for just a little optimism despite the parachute payments that keep Norwich and Watford bouncing up and down .

[FreshOwl]

I don’t get why people seem to think competition is dead 

 

When has it ever been 5-10 clubs going for a league title, in any division? 
 

There’s always going to be stronger and weaker teams. Look at league finishes from the 80s and 90s - 3-4 teams at the top and the gap below

 

Its always been the same 

Edited May 29, 2021 by FreshOwl

[Guest LondonOwl313]

Thought about this a lot recently, but not sure what can be done about it. And there are some things that are better about current football, but other things that are worse.

 

The standard has never been higher. And the level of competition at the top end is as good as it always was before.. if it wasn’t then the teams in the bottom half of the prem would lose by a cricket score every week to the top sides, yet they don’t.

 

The PL is a great competition. Well marketed, generates a lot of revenue and interest. But it comes at a cost. Firstly the gap to Championship level is too much, and parachute payments are to blame.. but despite that they’re integral to PL teams being able to invest and not fear losing most of their revenue on relegation. And the gap in Europe is too big too.. bet the likes of Burnley would beat the majority of the other leagues champions for example. In the past that wouldn’t be the case.

 

It just reflects capitalism really.. not sure what can be done about it. But if you go for that route then you need to let other teams spend whatever they want to break in to the status quo, otherwise it’s just socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. But I guess that’s kind of what’s going on in wider society with central banks printing to prop up the rich people’s asset prices while the poor struggle with the cost of living or even getting jobs in the first place

[ANDY]

11 hours ago, Manwë said:

 

Rangers have sold 44000 season tickets, the Blunts 20000.  They're just the two I know about

 

 

is this correct tho. Are they “new” sales or st carried forward from last season. 
 

id imagine especially where the blunts are concerned they would have had a huge uptake of season tickets after their first season in the prem. they weren’t to know what a shît season it was going to be. 
 

so like our early bird st’s they were carried forward to the 21/22 season. 
 

 

 

[Manwë]

Just now, ANDY said:

 

is this correct tho. Are they “new” sales or st carried forward from last season. 
 

id imagine especially where the blunts are concerned they would have had a huge uptake of season tickets after their first season in the prem. they weren’t to know what a shît season it was going to be. 
 

so like our early bird st’s they were carried forward to the 21/22 season. 
 

 

 

I believe they are new sales only on the basis that both clubs were able to offer full refunds in a timely manner previously, or at least that's what I believe is true, happy to be corrected.

 

[Pughies Jockstrap]

Excellent post Tollerton and spot on. Years ago football clubs were run by local businessmen and were genuinely part of the fabric of society. They used to buy him  so they used to buy someone to replace him and they in turn would buy someone .... you get the picture and the money swished around football. The rot set in with Parasi... sorry Agents taking far too big a slice so the money was leaving football and going into private individuals pockets.  Then came the Tv money and foreign owners and clubs gradually moved further away from the local communities. Then came the cheating diving (all coached) I might add and the constant abuse of referees if a decision went against the prima donnas. Now we have the absurd VAR where a wart on someones bell end can put them in an offside. position. All in all the game now stinks to high heaven. I dont now watch it apart from home games at Hillsborough and Im now nearing the stage where it wouldn't bother me If I never saw another match.

[Jack of Clubs]

12 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

Yet football has never been more popular.  

 

The glamour by the top six to breakaway in the spring has done untold harm and I believe that football will see a slide in its popularity. 

Only by the top 5% in the football league. For the rest it’s tough going and not much fun any more.

[Inspector Lestrade]

1 hour ago, El Toro said:

Only by the top 5% in the football league. For the rest it’s tough going and not much fun any more.

 

Thats subjective

[Guest Therealrealist]

1 hour ago, El Toro said:

Only by the top 5% in the football league. For the rest it’s tough going and not much fun any more.

I love goin to football..football isnt dead or crap or boring just cus we are the biggest basket case in the country..if we wer doin well nobody wud give a throw about things mentioned in the op

[quinnssweetshop]

It will always be " Not the same "  Whilst we are so crap. 

[Jack of Clubs]

59 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

Thats subjective

Likewise with your assumption that football has never been so popular.

[Jack of Clubs]

54 minutes ago, Therealrealist said:

I love goin to football..football isnt dead or crap or boring just cus we are the biggest basket case in the country..if we wer doin well nobody wud give a throw about things mentioned in the op

It’s getting more and more elitist by the day!!

[Inspector Lestrade]

14 minutes ago, El Toro said:

Likewise with your assumption that football has never been so popular.

 

Hardly when it can be measured in attendance figures and viewing figures.

[WhereAreMyDragons?]

19 hours ago, Tollertonowl said:

A game that was previously played by teams with local players with a passion/ love (short career/ small wages) and also enjoyed as value/cheap family entertainment by the Working Classes on a weekend for well over 100yrs has (since the 90's) been increasingly turned into a corporate Money making machine... The main changes to football were in the early to late 90's, which I think were the catalyst to our current situation such as the introduction of the premier league, Sky TV buying the rights to televise games, Jack Walker spending hand over fist to buy the Premier League title for Blackburn along with extreme fee's/ wages for players and then concurrently the Bosman ruling, which has resulted in clubs losing out on transfer fee's from players/ football agents fees increased/ players cashing in on signing on fee's and wage demands . Maybe the Bosman ruling is the main cause of hyper inflation of players wages/ costs to clubs/ increased costs to supporters... Anyway the result from this and possibly other factors I've failed to mention accelerated a lot of established football clubs to enter administration within a few years, which statistically less than 15 clubs had before 1995 and after the ruling over 50 clubs have so far entered administration, which are predominantly lower league clubs who have been unable to cash in on key players (transfer fee) accordingly. IMO players should have the right to move clubs if they have the opportunity to move/ progress to higher divisions. However I also think that signing on fee's should be abolished and governing bodies like UEFA/ FA/ PL etc. should limit squad numbers and also stipulate squad players of PL clubs to ensure that the cash rich clubs like Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea etc. don't buy up and coming players to then sit in their reserves/ U 23's and then just rot... They should also ensure that players past clubs (lower league if limited squad numbers) are compensated after the players contract expires by the next club accordingly, as these clubs have sourced/ developed them as players and were previously (as small clubs) reliant on transfer fees to reinvest in the club/ development of other players... In terms of compensation to other (past) clubs I would expect that a player like J Vardy for example at Leicester who are a PL team and therefore paid circa £140M based on their position... So maybe Leicester retain 90% of this value and the other £14M (10%) is distributed pro rata to all of their players previous clubs that he/they(others) played in football league games below the first division (PL or equivalent). Further to this the FA needs to align with the PL on FFP rules as other than Man Utd, Liverpool and maybe Arsenal none of the other (now so called) successful big clubs like Chelsea & Man City aren't big clubs without extreme investment by their foreign owners... Then relegated teams from the PL have parachute payments yet long term championship teams following a PL model now have consolidated penalties/ embargoes etc... That snowball the issues...BTW i've had a drink....

This!!!but I don’t think we can put the genie back in the bottle.