Frozen out players.

[Lawrie’s Left Peg]

2 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

Spit image of Ian Mellor

more like Gary Shelton

[torryowl]

any manager lives or dies on results .if monk thinks he can get better results without certain players then he gets my support …. BUT  he needs to get better results .,,,,jos didn't and it cost him his job lets hope it doesn't monk . 

[Dick_Turpin]

12 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

You make good posts without this provocateur nonsense..why do you do it?

I don’t see why managers are infallible. Especially given the oddball way this football club seems to run. 

[Costello 77]

17 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

I don’t see why managers are infallible. Especially given the oddball way this football club seems to run. 

If it were two very different managers at odds with different players you'd have a point.. however..

[Dick_Turpin]

3 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

If it were two very different managers at odds with different players you'd have a point.. however..

Westwood said Jos told him he was being frozen out for financial reasons. Chansiri denied it. All a bit odd. I have no idea whether Jos and Monk are very different managers. Neither seems particularly happy go lucky!

 

Carlos, Bullen, Agnew/Clemence and Bruce seemed to get on OK with them. The first thing Bullen did was bring them back and he knows them pretty well. 

 

There’s a lot of bad mouthing of players who have served us well going off on here with a paucity of real evidence. 

 

 

[Costello 77]

1 minute ago, rickygoo said:

Westwood said Jos told him he was being frozen out for financial reasons. Chansiri denied it. All a bit odd. I have no idea whether Jos and Monk are very different managers. Neither seems particularly happy go lucky!

 

Carlos, Bullen, Agnew/Clemence and Bruce seemed to get on OK with them. The first thing Bullen did was bring them back and he knows them pretty well. 

 

There’s a lot of bad mouthing of players who have served us well going off on here with a paucity of real evidence. 

 

 

Good grief.. this is poor from you.. it's like you've phoned one in there..

[Nero]

Hmmm. I've tried to stay positive about Monks  approach for a couple of hours. I can agree we need some old favourites to leave so that's fine.

But I really cant convince myself yet that Monk has the skills and subtlety to do it properly. He has never done a squad change before. In his 5 terms as manager he's never been in a job long enough to change an inherited team succesfully.

His freeze em out ego battle approach might work in the long run but no one can point to any evidence yet as to why it will. Theres plenty of current evidence that it's going badly.

Results wise since he has decided to go down this route its clearly not working short term and he's presiding over the most boring and sometimes shockingly bad home performances for many years. (players at fault for these of course).

Fair play if he pulls it off from here on in.

 

 

 

 

[Dick_Turpin]

7 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

Good grief.. this is poor from you.. it's like you've phoned one in there..

I don’t see why. There’s a load of speculation slagging players who have served us well. A lot of it is potentially libellous in fact. 

[torryowl]

8 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

Westwood said Jos told him he was being frozen out for financial reasons. 

 

 

ive never heard that one …..when did he say that .?

[Costello 77]

4 minutes ago, Nero said:

Hmmm. I've tried to stay positive about Monks  approach for a couple of hours. I can agree we need some old favourites to leave so that's fine.

But I really cant convince myself yet that Monk has the skills and subtlety to do it properly. He has never done a squad change before. In his 5 terms as manager he's never been in a job long enough to change an inherited team succesfully.

His freeze em out ego battle approach might work in the long run but no one can point to any evidence yet as to why it will. Theres plenty of current evidence that it's going badly.

Results wise since he has decided to go down this route its clearly not working short term and he's presiding over the most boring and sometimes shockingly bad home performances for many years. (players at fault for these of course).

Fair play if he pulls it off from here on in.

 

 

 

 

You make fair points.. but he's lost his goal scorer.. luongo.. Palmer.. and a few playing silly trousers.. give him a chance?

[Costello 77]

1 minute ago, rickygoo said:

I don’t see why. There’s a load of speculation slagging players who have served us well. A lot of it is potentially libellous in fact. 

I'll freely give my details if they want to pursue me.

[Dick_Turpin]

Just now, torryowl said:

ive never heard that one …..when did he say that .?

It’s at the top of the interview posted earlier. About 50 seconds in. 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p070b455

 

 

[Dick_Turpin]

3 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

I'll freely give my details if they want to pursue me.

I’m not saying they will or should. If you think you’re correct then fair play. 

[Costello 77]

4 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

I’m not saying they will or should. If you think you’re correct then fair play. 

That interview was interesting..it means that out of three people .. there's at least one liar at the club..at that time.

Edited February 6, 2020 by Costello 77

[Dick_Turpin]

1 minute ago, Costello 77 said:

That interview was interesting..it means that out of three people .. there's at least one liar at the club..

Where’s Poirot when you need him?
 

Edited February 6, 2020 by rickygoo

[Costello 77]

1 minute ago, rickygoo said:

Where’s Poirot when you need him?
 

On the bog reading viz..

Edited February 6, 2020 by Costello 77

[Costello 77]

9 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

I’m not saying they will or should. If you think you’re correct then fair play. 

You'd think that £50k per week between them they'd be playing.. wouldn't you?

[Dick_Turpin]

1 minute ago, Costello 77 said:

You'd think that £50k per week between them they'd be playing.. wouldn't you?

They don’t pick the team. Even though they might try to. 

[keepitsteel89]

1 hour ago, Inspector Lestrade said:

 

 Depends how you are defining command.   The only evidence that you seem to be presenting is that they been there for a few years.  Doesn't mean they are running the place.

 

For we all know they might all be passive and just go with the flow.  From time to time there are going to be conflicts its how the manager deals with it.    

Well no not now because 2 of them have just been told to train with the 23's.. again! 

[torryowl]

10 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

That interview was interesting..it means that out of three people .. there's at least one liar at the club..at that time.

it do …...but I still cant believe that a manager whos job depends on results wouldn't pick who he thinks is his best goalie ….that 2 of the last 3 have gone for dawson who now has a 4 year contract that is probably costing us more than westwoods 18 months he's got left only adds to the intrigue .