Beholder Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Is this good for a squad? Is it right to label some players as toxic, or bad apples? Is out of sight out of mind really a thing? Especially when those in question are such strong characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Depends whether you want the players or manager in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Can't have senior players going out of their way to undermine a manager, let alone two of them. What kind of message does it set within the dressing room if that sort of thing is tolerated? Bloody inmates running the asylum. Edited February 6, 2020 by SiJ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Carlos got slated for this as did Jos. My opinion for what its worth is that you pick your strongest team regardless of any issues you have, you have to be objective in your decision making. Any player who runs out onto the pitch can play for his own pride, his own professionalism, for the fans and above all his duty to the club for giving him the opportunity to play for them with all the benefits that gives him. Many fans on OT, I would guess don't get on with their manager but they go home knowing they gave their best for the company if not for the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I guess we are talking about Westwood and Hutchinson. Yes team will be better in the short term if these two play but after 2 or 3 games it would have a bad effect on team spirit. We have over indulged players in the past (FF being the prime example) and in the medium to long term you always end up worse off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Without knowing the details, it's impossible to assess whether it's reasonable or indeed the best course of action. Having said that, there has to such a thing as squad discipline, and there has to be a line beyond which players need to know they can't go. I suppose it's safe to at least assume that Monk feels Hutchinson and Westwood have gone beyond that line. I hope for the sake of squad harmony that the rest of the squad are in broad agreement with Monk on this - it's if they aren't when you can get the real problems. Time will tell on that, although with Hutchinson's contract up in the summer, I suppose a line will be drawn under his case at the end of the season anyway. Maybe the door isn't completely shut on them though. If they've stepped out of line and they have something to apologize for then perhaps that'll be all that's needed to be given another chance; in which case Monk might well be compelled to do so - but even so, Monk might even hope he's not put in that position. One way or another it's a test for Monk, but from the view of a fan who only wants to see the best possible team named each week, I hope to see Hutchinson (at least) in a Wednesday shirt again before this summer. Edited February 6, 2020 by cowl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Neymar(dyarse) had a big party then cried of with a (genuine) rib injury.. his manager was diplomatic against the uproar.. our two are good 2nd Division players...not worth the hassle.. it's not the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Not sure if I’d say they’ve been frozen out or not (and how would I know really). The team gets pick on a variety of factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marble Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I think the fact that the same couple of players appear to be involved yet again makes me give Jos a bit more credit than I previously thought he deserved. As for the current situation, back the Coach & ship the trouble causers out as soon as their contracts allow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigash_swfc Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 It's the start of a downward spiral we saw with Jos. Good managers don't burn bridges. I remember Pep and Yaya hating eachother, but Pep gave Toure game time near the end of his contract and he left with a reception he deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Owl Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 You have to trust the players, can Monk trust Westwood and Hutchinson.to do as instructed ? Can be very disruptive to the squad so I would exclude doesn't matter how big the player. They cannot be bigger than manager or club We have to build for the future, they wont be here in the summer so lets start building now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Nowt other than speculation to say anyone’s been frozen out to be fair innit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, bigash_swfc said: It's the start of a downward spiral we saw with Jos. Good managers don't burn bridges. I remember Pep and Yaya hating eachother, but Pep gave Toure game time near the end of his contract and he left with a reception he deserved. This is what I'm on about..Toure was world class working with an elite coach.. our two aren't big enough to get that kind of treatment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Depends on who the players are. If they are liked/respected among the other players. Also whether or not the other players feel it is fair. Westwood and Hutchinson are two of the biggest personalities in the squad. I would imagine they carry a lot of weight and respect among the squad. Hope Monk knows what he is doing. Btw I support the manager 100%. He is the boss. It's his way or the highway. But we all know that's not how football works...unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ferkorf Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 How have Westwood and Hutchinson been disruptive? Or caused chaos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 If it is the two named....We want one transferred anyhow, and the other could pak up any day....I'm with the manager if this is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, Ferkorf said: How have Westwood and Hutchinson been disruptive? Or caused chaos? Why aren't they playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: Why aren't they playing? Corona virus.... (May as well let the rumour mill spin an' devil take the hindmost) Edited February 6, 2020 by asteener1867 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twolaptops Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 For 90 minutes a player should spit blood/give 110% for the team irrespective of the manager.......some can't be ar$ed on the face of it..........GET SHUT OF THEM !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, asteener1867 said: Corona virus.... (May as well let the rumour mill spin an' devil take the hindmost) It won't spread through the squad.. they're too bloody lazy to sneeze.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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