scram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 In fact the club need a players consent to release information regarding their injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ash76 said: We were told he was injured and out for 3 months, what more do you need? Wish I could see through casts Like specialists you mean? You guessed that or made it up didn't you Im sure youd welcome your leg in a full cast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Some clubs don't like to divulge the injuries that players have received. To release a statement like what FF has done he will definitely have had to ask for permission to do so from the club. Whether it was given or not is another question. Bar Kieron Lee back in January under chansiri we have never really found out the severity of our bad injuries until this one. FF will defo have got dc and cc's permission for this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Of course he does 12 minutes ago, scram said: In fact the club need a players consent to release information regarding their injuries Scram is spot on not even a doctor can release medical information about a patient without their permission that's why after qualifying they have to take the hypocritical oath. The club would need your permission also. Edited September 17, 2017 by Copthorneowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Scram is spot on not even a doctor can release medical information about a patient without their permission that's why after qualifying they have to take the hypocritical oath. The club would need your permission also. Hippocratic oath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Scram is spot on not even a doctor can release medical information about a patient without their permission that's why after qualifying they have to take the hypocritical oath. The club would need your permission also. Never said the club don't ask permission. But to release a statement like that he'll have had to ask the club himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 hours ago, WatfordOwl said: I'm waiting for some old fart to come along and say he's mincing. 'Back in my day we used to play wi a brokkkken ankul' Magic sponge and a bit of firey jack and run it off. worked for us in sunday league. Gerrup and run it off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Sorry Birley slightly misunderstood your comment the player is in full command of his own medical situation but as an employer however I suspect it may be written in his contract that he may not release information such as injury detail without their permission. But the club can't release anything without the players permission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Never said the club don't ask permission. But to release a statement like that he'll have had to ask the club himself. He doesn't need to ask the club to release his own personal medical information - that is ENTIRELY his domain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, roaminowl said: Hippocratic oath. Sorry matey predictive text.......I lied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roaminowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Copthorneowl said: Sorry matey predictive text.......I lied. To be fair, some of the Doctors I've met might have taken an hypocritical oath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, Copthorneowl said: Sorry Birley slightly misunderstood your comment the player is in full command of his own medical situation but as an employer however I suspect it may be written in his contract that he may not release information such as injury detail without their permission. But the club can't release anything without the players permission His injury/medical information is HIS Nobody can stop him releasing that and he doesn't need permission to do so He can however keep his medical information confidential and prevent even the club/owner/manager etc from knowing his medical details if he so chooses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flo Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Why should we tell our opponents when a player is back. Keep it a surprise i would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukta Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1 minute ago, scram said: His injury/medical information is HIS Nobody can stop him releasing that and he doesn't need permission to do so He can however keep his medical information confidential and prevent even the club/owner/manager etc from knowing his medical details if he so chooses I think I'm starting to get how this works...if you release information about bad injuries your stock goes down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Oh god I wish I didn't like him so much. LOOK AT THAT LITTLE FACE THO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, scram said: His injury/medical information is HIS Nobody can stop him releasing that and he doesn't need permission to do so He can however keep his medical information confidential and prevent even the club/owner/manager etc from knowing his medical details if he so chooses I fully understand all that but unless you know for sure (in which case I surrender) it's not beyond reality that there could be contractual arrangements that prevent a player disclosing his injury prognosis to the public so let me ask you do you know absolutely that such information can be relayed to the world at large without reference to the employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 100% yes Look at the 7 Pillars of Clinical Governance Particularly Autonomy and Confidentiality Nobody (or entity) can have ownership of a persons autonomy unless a person is not of sound mind and cognitively able to make reliable decisions (cue multiple "jokes" here...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, scram said: 100% yes Look at the 7 Pillars of Clinical Governance Particularly Autonomy and Confidentiality Nobody (or entity) can have ownership of a persons autonomy unless a person is not of sound mind and cognitively able to make reliable decisions (cue multiple "jokes" here...) Best leave it at that I understand all the above but often in all walks of life health issues/injuries etc., whilst always confidential between doctor and patient can have dire effects on a business football, trade, finance, etc., if made public and often contracts stipulate that the person sick/injured can't disclose them publicly without breaking contractual agreements as they might harm/damage that business and I'd be amazed if that didn't happen in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, bigash_swfc said: Surgery went well We're well furked lads. He's only got one leg left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Best leave it at that I understand all the above but often in all walks of life health issues/injuries etc., whilst always confidential between doctor and patient can have dire effects on a business football, trade, finance, etc., if made public and often contracts stipulate that the person sick/injured can't disclose them publicly without breaking contractual agreements as they might harm/damage that business and I'd be amazed if that didn't happen in football. A person has total ownership of their medical information - it is theirs and theirs alone - and they can do with it as they wish Any contract cannot compel anybody to forego their statutory rights - it's a human rights thing Football has an unwritten law that players will not contest the majority of their medical information being made public - and generally they don't bat an eyelid when the club releases their injury status But if they want to they can - i've been in medicolegal seminars where lawyers have made this crystal clear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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