pazowl55 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Which teams did we play three midfielders against though as you would probably play three in midfield and be more cautious against the better teams. Which also means we would score less goals as they are better opponents. Edited May 30, 2017 by pazowl55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said: Excellent OP which should be forwarded as a rhyming mantra to CC forthwith. "The truth may hurt but it sets you free. You can't play Hutch with Bannan and Lee" Did you ever come up with one for Dane Whitehouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, pazowl55 said: Which teams did we play three midfielders against though as you would probably play three in midfield and be more cautious against the better teams. Which also means we would score less goals as they are better opponents. I wondered that, but no. It was a mix from top to bottom of table. Home and away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said: The truth may hurt but it sets you free, You can't play Hutch with Bannan and Lee... ..Unless you switch system , And play them as a three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 12 hours ago, Holmowl said: Matches played with 3 CMs (not incl Play-Offs) P19 W8 D4 L7 Pts 28 Reast of season (excluding 46th game Fulham) P 26 W 16 D5 L5 Pts 53 With 3 CMs - 1.5 points per game Rest of season - over 2 points per game I made one adjustment, Bristol City home. Started with 3 CMs (Jones Lee BB) and 0-2 down when Wallace came on for Jones at HT. When I see threads or posts saying we need major surgery because we weren't good enough, it's just plain wrong. We had the players and the set-up for an auto spot. We just chose not to play it for 19 league matches and a semi-final. If only football was as clear cut and simple as you make out. A couple of things... Firstly, you can't categorise Bannan purely as a CM simply because you think he's better there. He's played a significant portion of his career as a left sided midfielder. He played most of last season there and ended up in the championship team of the year. I'm also interested in how you decided which games you've assigned as "3 CMs". Some games have seen us struggle with certain setups and change mid game. How do you determine which set up produces the final result? The starting line up or the ones we switched to or finished with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnsleyOwl96 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, IstillhateSteveBould said: If only football was as clear cut and simple as you make out. A couple of things... Firstly, you can't categorise Bannan purely as a CM simply because you think he's better there. He's played a significant portion of his career as a left sided midfielder. He played most of last season there and ended up in the championship team of the year. I'm also interested in how you decided which games you've assigned as "3 CMs". Some games have seen us struggle with certain setups and change mid game. How do you determine which set up produces the final result? The starting line up or the ones we switched to or finished with? To be honest I think it's pretty clear with the stats we are better without 3 cms in terms of stats and enjoyment to watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Good points and bad points, yes it doesn't seem to work with our 4-4-2, so change formation to accommodate 3 across the middle, and 2 wingbacks, everyone on here thinks it's to accommodate the three Hutch, Lee and Bannan, yet we overlook the fact our biggest game changer in mid (ignoring FF, is Wallace and if you change formation where do you put him, he's too lightweight to play in cm, not got the engine or defensive capacity to play wing back either, maybe this is why Carlos insists on playing 4-4-2?. With a fit and on form abdi maybe we could have changed formation,but it's gone and let's see if Carlos has something better up his sleeve for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 6 hours ago, raljex said: Out of interest, what about the previous season when if my memory is right Bannan played mostly on the left? Bannan started 22 left and 19 central, but in around 5 matches he was switched from left to CM part way through matches, usually with FF moving from striker to LW. We lost 8 matches after Bannan signed. In 6 out of these 8 we played with 3 CMs. In one were drawing Away to PNE until FF got sent off. So in both seasons, our record with two CMs far outstripped our record with 3 CMs. And in both seasons we chose to play with 3 CMs in the key Play-Off match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 It will be even harder to be successful next season, playing just a two man midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 22 hours ago, Tommo_ said: We need someone like Lee Cattermole from Sunderland Errrrrrrm no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torres Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 We won 6 in a row without Hutchinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, gurujuan said: It will be even harder to be successful next season, playing just a two man midfield Why? Our results show that playing 3 CMs was bloody hard, cos it failed. Why will 2 CMs be harder next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I see Mooy has become our number one target, so how is that going to work? He's another player who's always shone in a three, like Abdi. Hope we aren't going to make the same mistakes as we did last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The only way to accommodate 3 cm is to switch formation to 352 or 451, we have the squad to do it. 442 is a disaster and that has been shown time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 41 minutes ago, Blue and white said: The only way to accommodate 3 cm is to switch formation to 352 or 451, we have the squad to do it. 442 is a disaster and that has been shown time and time again. Its a disaster as a spectacle I'll give you that, but I will acknowledge that we've got results with it, just about. Surely we shouldn't just have to hang in there, hoping to nick something. Who's to say we wouldn't have been equally successful playing a system that actually suited the players we have It certainly would have been more entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogerwyldesmullet Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Holmowl said: Did you ever come up with one for Dane Whitehouse? I should be old enough to resist a whoosh challenge but ... "Looked like a thug from a schoolyard shytehouse played like a mug for the Blades - Dane Whitehouse" Edited May 31, 2017 by Rogerwyldesmullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, gurujuan said: Its a disaster as a spectacle I'll give you that, but I will acknowledge that we've got results with it, just about. Surely we shouldn't just have to hang in there, hoping to nick something. Who's to say we wouldn't have been equally successful playing a system that actually suited the players we have It certainly would have been more entertaining Take the play offs, I for one would have held my head high if we'd genuinely lost 4-3 after playing our attacking game and giving it our all. Sadly we rolled over and thats unforgivable with our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, Blue and white said: The only way to accommodate 3 cm is to switch formation to 352 or 451, we have the squad to do it. 442 is a disaster and that has been shown time and time again. 442 with 2 CMs and 2 wingers isnt a disaster. P26. W15. Pts53 That's title-winning. I 100% agree that playing 3 CMs needs a new formation, but why would we want to lose such a successful 442 played properly? Also, we would need to reva,p the squad, and buy more CMs and sell some strikers. For the final third of the season we had two fit CMs and an army of strikers on the bench. Our CMs towards the end... Bannan playing thru injury Jones in and out thru injury/illness Lee rushed back from injury Abdi injured Hutch injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said: I should be old enough to resist a whoosh challenge but ... "Looked like a thug from a schoolyard shytehouse played like a mug for the Blades - Dane Whitehouse" Oh come on. This one was set up irresistibly. A tap-in......nice one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Holmowl said: 442 with 2 CMs and 2 wingers isnt a disaster. P26. W15. Pts53 That's title-winning. I 100% agree that playing 3 CMs needs a new formation, but why would we want to lose such a successful 442 played properly? Also, we would need to reva,p the squad, and buy more CMs and sell some strikers. For the final third of the season we had two fit CMs and an army of strikers on the bench. Our CMs towards the end... Bannan playing thru injury Jones in and out thru injury/illness Lee rushed back from injury Abdi injured Hutch injured Sorry I meant 442 with 3 cm is a disaster. 442 with 2 cm and 2 wingers is fine by me if thats what you set up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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