vulva Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Rather than insult me discuss the issue. Again if flasks, food containers were a genuine risk they would be banned at all sporting events. Cinema ban customers from bringing their own food in, to protect revenue. Swfc should be honest and not use the security excuse. Honest? So you actually think that the club are interpreting and manipulating the guidance in such a way that would enable them to sell more Bovril, on the sly? Really? You should ring the Daily Mail, as they would lap this story up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Honest? So you actually think that the club are interpreting and manipulating the guidance in such a way that would enable them to sell more Bovril, on the sly? Really? You should ring the Daily Mail, as they would lap this story up. If we have the same guidance as other clubs, why are we the only ones banning flasks and tupperware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 If we have the same guidance as other clubs, why are we the only ones banning flasks and tupperware? No idea. Maybe we are just being ultra cautious. Maybe those thinking the club are doing this for other reasons should call the press. It would be a huge story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 It wouldn't be a huge story. But that doesn't mean its not a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Honest? So you actually think that the club are interpreting and manipulating the guidance in such a way that would enable them to sell more Bovril, on the sly? Really? You should ring the Daily Mail, as they would lap this story up. Honest? So you actually think that the club are interpreting and manipulating the guidance in such a way that would enable them to sell more Bovril, on the sly? Really? You should ring the Daily Mail, as they would lap this story up. Businesses that sell foods & drinks: cinemas, entertainment parks, indoor play places, restaurants, cafes all try & discourage customers bringing their own in. How can you not have observed/experienced this? Do you think all these businesses are 'puddled'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Businesses that sell foods & drinks: cinemas, entertainment parks, indoor play places, restaurants, cafes all try & discourage customers bringing their own in. How can you not have observed/experienced this? Do you think all these businesses are 'puddled'. I take my kids to a play centre. They don't allow me to take in my own food and drink. It's a 'con', but it's their right, and my choice whether I go back. As far as I'm aware, they arn't using international terrorism as the excuse. In effect, that's what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 But there is no general entry condition at Hillsborough, or any football ground, saying that you can't bring food into the ground. Only we now do have one, that was brought in with Anti-Terrorism as the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 If Wednesday were trying to boost food and drink sales they would have a ban on bringing food and drink into the ground. As it is, today I'll be able to bring in a beres sandwich should I wish....or a tray of chips...whatever. I'll also be able to get a bottle of pop from outside and bring it in. DC does not make a lot from food sales. And that money does not matter to him. It's pocket change. He's said so himself. There's a specific reason for us to choose to ban flasks...but it's definitely not to sell an extra £50-£100 worth of hot beverages. Because that's probably the sort of money we're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I take my kids to a play centre. They don't allow me to take in my own food and drink. It's a 'con', but it's their right, and my choice whether I go back. As far as I'm aware, they arn't using international terrorism as the excuse. In effect, that's what you are saying. So why are Wednesday the only club doing it ? Its a genuine question and ultra cautious doesn't cut it Personally i i think they have seen an opportunity to implement a policy that they wanted to bring in and this way they dont get the flak As you say as an entertainment venue that is their right but a little honesty would be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 So why are Wednesday the only club doing it ? Its a genuine question and ultra cautious doesn't cut it Personally i i think they have seen an opportunity to implement a policy that they wanted to bring in and this way they dont get the flak As you say as an entertainment venue that is their right but a little honesty would be good That's a very cynical view, and the club wouldn't take the risk in my opinion. Some people on here are still stuck in the Walker/Allen era, where such a a strategy could well have been adopted. Without labouring the point, the club haven't decided to ban food and drink to make more money. They may have taken the advise to the extreme, and the current rules may be relaxed if things calm down. What we don't know is what other security measures have been brought in, and at what cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 If Wednesday were trying to boost food and drink sales they would have a ban on bringing food and drink into the ground. As it is, today I'll be able to bring in a beres sandwich should I wish....or a tray of chips...whatever. I'll also be able to get a bottle of pop from outside and bring it in. DC does not make a lot from food sales. And that money does not matter to him. It's pocket change. He's said so himself. There's a specific reason for us to choose to ban flasks...but it's definitely not to sell an extra £50-£100 worth of hot beverages. Because that's probably the sort of money we're talking about. The catering company that employ very inexperienced & inefficient 16 year olds, do this to not have to pay the minimum wage. It doesn't save millions, but they do it. Again the crucial ? is being ignored, our other local clubs haven't chosen to do this, or many others nationally. Ps, the club will still make some poor decisions, despite this fans group, being in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 So, even though the club have not banned food and drink being taken into the stadium, they have. Pathetic and beyond risible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 The catering company that employ very inexperienced & inefficient 16 year olds, do this to not have to pay the minimum wage. It doesn't save millions, but they do it. Again the crucial ? is being ignored, our other local clubs haven't chosen to do this, or many others nationally. Ps, the club will still make some poor decisions, despite this fans group, being in place. Who else other than the age bracket of 16-18 year olds are going to work every other Saturday for a couple of hours? Though yes, the company also saves a lot of money this way. But this isn't the discussion we're having. It's no new thing that football clubs their food contractor higher cheap young labour for a few hours at a time... Other clubs haven't banned flasks as far as I'm aware. But flasks being banned aren't a new thing either. Flasks were banned from Wimbledon last year due to the Boston bombings. The likelihood that Hillsborough is the subject of a terrorist attack is probably in the million to one bracket. But the club has deemed it necessary. This might be a permanent rule...it might be temporary. I genuinely can't see a situation where a meeting took place to decide to ban flasks in order to boost hot drinks sales. The club makes roger all from food and beverage sales. How many people bring flasks to games? I can't see it being that many in order for it to be even nearly worth the time and effort it's taken to impose this rule. It's absolutely barmy to think otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 So, even though the club have not banned food and drink being taken into the stadium, they have. Pathetic and beyond risible. Some people are wired up to criticise everything the club do. They must have been suicidal during the Allen era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Dec1966 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Who else other than the age bracket of 16-18 year olds are going to work every other Saturday for a couple of hours? Though yes, the company also saves a lot of money this way. But this isn't the discussion we're having. It's no new thing that football clubs their food contractor higher cheap young labour for a few hours at a time... Other clubs haven't banned flasks as far as I'm aware. But flasks being banned aren't a new thing either. Flasks were banned from Wimbledon last year due to the Boston bombings. The likelihood that Hillsborough is the subject of a terrorist attack is probably in the million to one bracket. But the club has deemed it necessary. This might be a permanent rule...it might be temporary. I genuinely can't see a situation where a meeting took place to decide to ban flasks in order to boost hot drinks sales. The club makes roger all from food and beverage sales. How many people bring flasks to games? I can't see it being that many in order for it to be even nearly worth the time and effort it's taken to impose this rule. It's absolutely barmy to think otherwise! The odds of a terrorist attack at Hillsborough is much much more than a million to one! This isn't a massive issue but it irks me. You can take a flask/plastic box to meadowhall, on a train, to an office in a London skyscraper, into Harrods, on the underground, why is Hillsborough deemed more of a risk than those places??? The club has deemed it necessary? For what reason? I repeat, denying a 70 year old person who is identifiable on the database a cup of their own tea at an English second division ground is risible and giving in to terrorists who wish to destroy our way of life. You say there is a specific reason for us to choose to ban flasks. Can you tell me what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Anyone who buys food and drink in the ground is taking their life in their own hands anyway . Id rather sit there for 90 minutes without a drink than buy owt in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 You say there is a specific reason for us to choose to ban flasks. Can you tell me what it is? I can't. I can say with confidence that the reason isn't to make more money out of the few hundred fans who bring flasks. The club makes next to no money on food and beverage sales, the figures won't change much just because old Bert and Betty in the South Stand have bought a cup of tea instead of bringing their own. I'm not arguing whether or not the club has gone over the top or not with these safety measures, I haven't got the information that SYP gave the club before the new measures were put into place. All I'm arguing is that these are safety measures, rather than a ploy for the club to sell more hot drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I checked the security statement again before leaving home so as not to fall foul of them No Flask - check No bags large or small - check No tupperware - check Well thats that then we're fully compliant I know ill buy a soft drink from the shop for my lad and some water for me We have a sip the hundred yards between the shop and the turnstile ST at the ready ............................ ".sorry son not coming in with that bottle its open only sealed bottles" " I checked the website it doesn't say anything like that on there" " It does it was announced on social media tha not coming in unless you bin them" Checked again absolutely no mention of bottles in the announcement The club at times is run by fuuckwits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 I checked the security statement again before leaving home so as not to fall foul of them No Flask - check No bags large or small - check No tupperware - check Well thats that then we're fully compliant I know ill buy a soft drink from the shop for my lad and some water for me We have a sip the hundred yards between the shop and the turnstile ST at the ready ............................ ".sorry son not coming in with that bottle its open only sealed bottles" " I checked the website it doesn't say anything like that on there" " It does it was announced on social media tha not coming in unless you bin them" Checked again absolutely no mention of bottles in the announcement The club at times is run by fuuckwits I went in with my open tray of chips and curry sauce, my brother with a bottle of pop in his hand. Stewards didn't bat an eyelid. In fact, I have the same steward every week joking with me to share my chips... Also, you are allowed bags. Large bags, rucksacks and holdalls are advised to be left at home however, though still allowed in at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Problem is, we have some fuckwits as fans. Wgynpeopl I checked the security statement again before leaving home so as not to fall foul of them No Flask - check No bags large or small - check No tupperware - check Well thats that then we're fully compliant I know ill buy a soft drink from the shop for my lad and some water for me We have a sip the hundred yards between the shop and the turnstile ST at the ready ............................ ".sorry son not coming in with that bottle its open only sealed bottles" " I checked the website it doesn't say anything like that on there" " It does it was announced on social media tha not coming in unless you bin them" Checked again absolutely no mention of bottles in the announcement The club at times is run by fuuckwits Does it really matter. This club, and the team, are the best we've had for over 20 years, and people are moaning about the inability to take a 99p bottle of Pepsi Max into the ground. If it's such an issue, people should **** off to the 'House of Steel' and get some Nachos down their neck at half time. Get a flipping grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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