Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Racism is a crime. Okay, that's your opinion isn't it. What do you propose doing about it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 What is it then? A thought, an action, a law, a policy, many things, all with real consequences. I doubt you really needed to ask what discrimination is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) shouting abuse from the stands, (words) culprit gets a banning order and a fine a white guy gets employed over a more experienced black guy, boss gets nothing seems words are more serious than deeds is that how we fight the racists? I remember having this discussion recently in the NON-SWFC section. Excuse me for this - as it is going to be a fairly lengthy post. I read recently that people have been petitioning for ethnic-minorities to replace white Policemen even if they are not as equally qualified. This is due to these people believing that they will connect better with people in areas where crime is rife. Then there is also the fact that while applying for University, you have to put your ethnicity down. Do you know why? Because Universities now accept more ethnic-minority candidates even if their grades are worse. It has nothing to do with your grades - some places now revolve around your skin colour. How racist is this towards those ethnic-minorities? Its f*cking awful. Sadly, racism is just ingrained into society. One of the major basic instincts of the human race is to judge on first sight. You yourself will have already made up your mind about somebody upon first sight. Everybody on this forum and in the entire world has because it's how the human brain works. Where racism originates from is how children are socialised into 'fearing' certain groups of people. It's a generalisation that say, Afro-Caribbean individuals are the single most criminally-minded ethnic group in Britain. This means that when people see Afro-Caribbean individuals, they will automatically assume they are criminals. It's just how the human brain works. How do we prevent this? Well it's extremely difficult, and it will take hundreds of years of socialising our ancestors differently to eradicate it. The type of racism you talk about can't be punished. It can only be altered over time. We have already seen a huge shift in one hundred years. In another hundred years racism could be gone completely. Forcing people's hands by, say, making rules where they have to have '3 African people' on their team is just going to lead to even more alienation and angst. Campaigns like Kick it out are a good starting point - but in the long run won't change much. It's up to every single one of us to teach our kids that different ethnicities are not 'worse' than your own. Verbal racism IMO - will be eradicated just by ignoring it. It will disappear when people realise they get nothing from it. For the time being, they know they get recognition and attention from it and so continue to undertake it. Anyway, this is just my opinion. Edited February 25, 2014 by JonTheOwl66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I remember having this discussion recently in the NON-SWFC section. Excuse me for this - as it is going to be a fairly lengthy post. I read recently that people have been petitioning for ethnic-minorities to replace white Policemen even if they are not as equally qualified. This is due to these people believing that they will connect better with people in areas where crime is rife. Then there is also the fact that while applying for University, you have to put your ethnicity down. Do you know why? Because Universities now accept more ethnic-minority candidates even if their grades are worse. It has nothing to do with your grades - some places now revolve around your skin colour. How racist is this towards those ethnic-minorities? Its f*cking awful. Sadly, racism is just ingrained into society. One of the major basic instincts of the human race is to judge on first sight. You yourself will have already made up your mind about somebody upon first sight. Everybody on this forum and in the entire world has because it's how the human brain works. Where racism originates from is how children are socialised into 'fearing' certain groups of people. It's a generalisation that say, Afro-Caribbean individuals are the single most criminally-minded ethnic group in Britain. This means that when people see Afro-Caribbean individuals, they will automatically assume they are criminals. It's just how the human brain works. How do we prevent this? Well it's extremely difficult, and it will take hundreds of years of socialising our ancestors differently to eradicate it. The type of racism you talk about can't be punished. It can only be altered over time. We have already seen a huge shift in one hundred years. In another hundred years racism could be gone completely. Forcing people's hands by, say, making rules where they have to have '3 African people' on their team is just going to lead to even more alienation and angst. Campaigns like Kick it out are a good starting point - but in the long run won't change much. It's up to every single one of us to teach our kids that different ethnicities are not 'worse' than your own. Verbal racism IMO - will be eradicated just by ignoring it. It will disappear when people realise they get nothing from it. For the time being, they know they get recognition and attention from it and so continue to undertake it. Anyway, this is just my opinion. If it's ingrained, then ignoring it won't help. Dig up the thread. I believe you made a great point about FIFA making a concerted effort to remove it from football in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Flashman Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Slavery is far from dead. Just a bloke. Being dragged along in a world that moves too quick for it's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarboro-owl Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I remember having this discussion recently in the NON-SWFC section. Excuse me for this - as it is going to be a fairly lengthy post. I read recently that people have been petitioning for ethnic-minorities to replace white Policemen even if they are not as equally qualified. This is due to these people believing that they will connect better with people in areas where crime is rife. Then there is also the fact that while applying for University, you have to put your ethnicity down. Do you know why? Because Universities now accept more ethnic-minority candidates even if their grades are worse. It has nothing to do with your grades - some places now revolve around your skin colour. How racist is this towards those ethnic-minorities? Its f*cking awful. Sadly, racism is just ingrained into society. One of the major basic instincts of the human race is to judge on first sight. You yourself will have already made up your mind about somebody upon first sight. Everybody on this forum and in the entire world has because it's how the human brain works. Where racism originates from is how children are socialised into 'fearing' certain groups of people. It's a generalisation that say, Afro-Caribbean individuals are the single most criminally-minded ethnic group in Britain. This means that when people see Afro-Caribbean individuals, they will automatically assume they are criminals. It's just how the human brain works. How do we prevent this? Well it's extremely difficult, and it will take hundreds of years of socialising our ancestors differently to eradicate it. The type of racism you talk about can't be punished. It can only be altered over time. We have already seen a huge shift in one hundred years. In another hundred years racism could be gone completely. Forcing people's hands by, say, making rules where they have to have '3 African people' on their team is just going to lead to even more alienation and angst. Campaigns like Kick it out are a good starting point - but in the long run won't change much. It's up to every single one of us to teach our kids that different ethnicities are not 'worse' than your own. Verbal racism IMO - will be eradicated just by ignoring it. It will disappear when people realise they get nothing from it. For the time being, they know they get recognition and attention from it and so continue to undertake it. Anyway, this is just my opinion. i cant help but agree with all of that, i grew up in the 60s and 70s, in a multicultural area when discrimination was supposedly rife, i can honestly say i never heard the word racist until i was a young adult seems to me, theses quotas, and positive discriminating acts are perpetuating the problem rather than solving it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 If it's ingrained, then ignoring it won't help. Dig up the thread. I believe you made a great point about FIFA making a concerted effort to remove it from football in there. Sure, I was being fairly ignorant and just discussing the conscious racism - where people know they're doing it. I didn't stop to consider the subconscious form of racism. I think it may have been deleted too. I hate getting into these racism debates. Wish I hadn't started now. I hate racists, but getting rid of it is such a difficult problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 No - that's not right at all. My logic suggests that racism has developed into such a miniscule irritant that it no longer needs a MASSIVE public reaction at one incident of racism. Are you trying to suggest that I'm all for slavery? And for ethnic minorities to be segregated away from White people? You know thats not the case - severe action needed to be taken prior to the 21st century. Largely now, racism isn't a MASSIVE problem in economically developed countries. Slavery is non-existant really in Europe. We are arguing over a few choice words - it's hardly 1920s America. you've stated some good points in this thread Jon some I may agree with some I may not. but I have to disagree with the racist point you have posted in this quote and for ethnic minorities to be segregated from White people. that is a racist point against White people being the only racist race. Slavery non existent in Europe .....open any paper over the last 3 months and read the stories of people being kept as slaves. but lets not mention Eastern Europe's footballing team's/supporters take on Black players either....good job it was sorted out prior to the 21st Century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando_Trustful Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Twitter should be thrown into the abyss, never to return. I've no idea why people - especially celebrities, use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Distraught! Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 You are right, people who use racist terms like monkey and the like are wasters and idiots. As well as having 'the delete key' as you stated, the Charlton manager also has the right to complain and bring these 'wasters and idiots' to the attention of the authorities. If Powell wants to interact with his fans and portray his club in a positive light through social media he is perfectly entitled to do so and within his rights to flag up the idiots and wasters. Aye well, I guess living in one of the least PC countries in the world has taken me away from the kind of thinking in this thread. I like other expatriates living in such an environment have learned to cope with various degrees of racism. We have come to expect that certain idiots will display overt racism and to brush it aside. If we didn't, life would be unbearable. I can actually say that I am one with BG on this subject. It is not often that the two of us agree but it seems on this particular subject, we can agree. I hadn't realized the extent that the UK has become sterile in terms of political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Kirby Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Sadly, one thing I've realised following Wednesday is that there's still a lot of moronic racists out there in the wider world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Guns Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 all this and i bet powell doesnt give a poo poo all this and i bet powell doesnt give a poo poo ,if it even happenred its not been reported anywere wot ive seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 1. it's not predominantly Asian, it's universal. P 2. no it doesn't necessarily make you racist if you know the connotations, just ignorant oh and i was also born in 2 mins from firth park i am less racist than you. What do i win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I hadn't realized the extent that the UK has become sterile in terms of political correctness. What do you mean by sterile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 So now we're suggesting it didn't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Distraught! Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What do you mean by sterile? Unable to step even one iota outside what would be considered politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Guns Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Just getting told about Roy Keen getting some major abuse on twitter last night shall we have a ten page thread about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Unable to step even one iota outside what would be considered politically correct. Powell was called a black c*nt. I'd say that's quite a lot more than one iota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Distraught! Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Powell was called a black c*nt. I'd say that's quite a lot more than one iota. Well, I don't condone the language but each can take their own opinion as to how it should be dealt with. Facing a similar form of racism almost everyday, I can carry one view. Others can have their own. As I said, perhaps I've just become battle hardened and oblivious to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Guns Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 So now we're suggesting it didn't happen? link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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