Sonny Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Fair enough. They can call themselves what they like for me but I think the word 'Ultras' has connotations that might not be understood by the club. No point approaching them about a safe standing area either but a few clubs have singing sections so I don't see why that is an unreasonable request. It won't happen by just talking about on here though, obviously. Someone needs to get sell it to the club. Maybe start by finding out which other clubs have a singing section and what the details are with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieswfc Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Exactly. I assume Palace haven't always had a section dedicated to chanting. They were by far the best home fans for a non derby game. So it can be done, it just needs everyone on board with the idea. As daft as it sounds, a good number of people singing on the Kop on a tuesday night might just inspire the players to give that extra 5% and at the very least it gives the fans something to enjoy. But a singing section just won't work with a band as well cos they will join on every song and balls it up. It happened alot on Saturday. Even something ss simple as Dave Jones's barmy army is too much for them. Wrong key wrong speed. It always results in the singers stopping singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 I agree, also obesity in England's getting out of control. This contributes to degrading the atmosphere ? I suppose it does, more people queuing for food than singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyswfc Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 This contributes to degrading the atmosphere ? I suppose it does, more people queuing for food than singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatMyGOAAAALLLLL Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Fair enough. They can call themselves what they like for me but I think the word 'Ultras' has connotations that might not be understood by the club. No point approaching them about a safe standing area either but a few clubs have singing sections so I don't see why that is an unreasonable request. It won't happen by just talking about on here though, obviously. Someone needs to get sell it to the club. Maybe start by finding out which other clubs have a singing section and what the details are with them. Yep, I think the 'Ultras' tag needs to be dropped as it gives misleading impressions about what they were trying to achieve. The standing area is a no go I'd assume but there does need to be dialogue between the fans and the club about how to improve the atmosphere. What do you do first though, singing section or get more fans on board? There's probably only 20 odd who stand up there at the moment, the idea of a singing section with just 20 fans behind it would get ridiculed on here and probably dismissed by the club. It would be good if more people would just give it a try for a game and stand at the back in that section just to experience it. It's a hard thing to promote. But a singing section just won't work with a band as well cos they will join on every song and balls it up. It happened alot on Saturday. Even something ss simple as Dave Jones's barmy army is too much for them. Wrong key wrong speed. It always results in the singers stopping singing. The band were awful on Saturday. Like what's been mentioned, they need to encourage singing rather than drowning it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womble Owl Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) This is what it'll take, a good few hundred to get some organised chanting going. And some decent new songs. But i fully agree with you. Edited February 5, 2013 by ItsJody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharrowowl Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I honestly think that's the best way to go Sonny as people start comparing European style fanaticals with what we were hoping to do at Hillsborough. It's nothing ultra like at all to be honest, we just wanted to sing more and hope to encourage others to do the same. I think they did discuss something with the club about a safe standing area or having a dedicated section for flags and stuff but it fell on deaf ears. Yes the term ultras invites ridicule - weren't we the original 'barmy army'? - if so why not keep hold of that for old time's sake. I think it's great what you lot are trying to do up there - can't be faulted for paying to get in like everyone else but trying to make that extra effort. Possibly just needs more organisation and happy with enchanters idea of just drums no trumpets. Also think we need new songs. I can't be arrsed with continual united songs - we blame them for being obsessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieswfc Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The band were awful on Saturday. Like what's been mentioned, they need to encourage singing rather than drowning it out. Never gonna happen though they're far too concerned with being heard. That's why they follow the tv cameras to any sporting event that will have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Their is a clear thing happening then. The band are drowning us out yet we need them for coordination. Therefore get rid of the brass! Keep the drums, an instrument which will only add to fans singing not drown it out. I know this is a big part of the band but all we need are a few drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieswfc Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Their is a clear thing happening then. The band are drowning us out yet we need them for coordination. Therefore get rid of the brass! Keep the drums, an instrument which will only add to fans singing not drown it out. I know this is a big part of the band but all we need are a few drums. Not sure we even need drums. If we cant coordinate a song then there's something wrong we manage away from home. Maybe a compromise though. All it needs is the ultras, the lads towards the other side of the kop and the lads on the uncovered to sit /stand together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny79 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 The brass really needs to go, it just sounds tinny and Chedar. Too many at home games love to shout at players and complain etc but won't sing or join in chants, boring feckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatMyGOAAAALLLLL Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Yes the term ultras invites ridicule - weren't we the original 'barmy army'? - if so why not keep hold of that for old time's sake. I think it's great what you lot are trying to do up there - can't be faulted for paying to get in like everyone else but trying to make that extra effort. Possibly just needs more organisation and happy with enchanters idea of just drums no trumpets. Also think we need new songs. I can't be arrsed with continual united songs - we blame them for being obsessive. Barmy Army would do nicely for me, sounds much better. It's getting the interest that's the hard part, plenty of people say they like what they're trying to do but no one joins in. We sing every game, plenty of people enjoy John's rendition of 'Can't take my eyes', we always have a laugh win, lose or draw. I enjoy every game up there. We're always welcome to ideas pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Too much infernal parping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 It's no coincidence that recent home games between Brighton and Charlton have ended in victories. The players and fans feed off each other, anything to improve the atmosphere is welcome in my books. Like I said earlier though, English football is different for one reason, one the whole when a team goes behind then their fans are quiet and Hillsborough is generally (apart from derby games mainly) one of the grounds where away fans can dominate in volume if things on the pitch aren't going to plan. Whilst in Europe you won't see as much of this, with on the whole fans continually singing throughout the time when the opposition are celebrating and especially in the minutes after to lift their team again. It's like they don't care about goals conceded, now this would be hard because I know how it feels. Every goal conceded is like being kicked in the stomach. wasnt like that when it was standing and likr minded fans/freinds could stand side by side singing as much as they wanted. All seater stadia can be souless places, go to any large gig, all the fun, dancing, chanting is in the standing areas whereas the seats are almost lifeless by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Too much infernal parping Parping is bad enough. But when it's mixed with Boom, Boom, Toot flipping Toot, Boom, Boom, its sends you doolalley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full fathom five Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 But a singing section just won't work with a band as well cos they will join on every song and balls it up. It happened alot on Saturday. Even something ss simple as Dave Jones's barmy army is too much for them. Wrong key wrong speed. It always results in the singers stopping singing. got to agree with every word mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharrowowl Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Need more Sheffield Wednesday anthems - not just player songs. get a few creative minds on the case without resorting to reminding ourselves of our lowly neighbours at every chance. Maybe a pinned thread on here or on another part of forum. One of 'Ultras/Barmy Army' to keep tabs on and share the better quality ones for trying out at games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) We could start by singing Bonnie Tylers 'its a heartache'. Would sound good. Edited February 5, 2013 by TheEnchanter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEARSON Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 We could start by singing Bonnie Tylers 'its a heartache'. Would sound good. I don't know why we only sing 'Hi Ho Sheffield Wednesday' when promted with music. In my opinion that could be our anthem. Would sound great the full song chanted at away ground accross the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatMyGOAAAALLLLL Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 That's best idea, everyone knows it, it's already there to be sung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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