Ellis Rimmer Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, DJMortimer said: Good point. People like Marcotti and Tim Vickery are in a different stratosphere to the likes of Jamie Redknapp, Lee Hendrie and Danny Murphy who offer nothing out of the ordinary, other than just having played at a high level. The former actually bring insights and perception that most of us simply don't have and should be valued much more than they are. For example, the Sky Soccer Saturday mob between them offer little that couldn't be found picking people randomly out of the crowd at a game. Yes we watch them because we know them from their playing days, this is why I don’t want to see the women on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 17 hours ago, Morepork said: In much the same way as I see Megan Rapinoe damaging the women's game by demanding parity with men's pay. These aren't just decisions that can be made arbitrarily, market forces around TV rights, Sponsorship and other commercial revenues need to be the drivers of women's pay as they are in the men's game. That’s exactly why the US women’s team want parity - they bring in just as much revenue as the men as they have traditionally had larger tv audiences 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yes we watch them because we know them from their playing days, this is why I don’t want to see the women on it It’s not the fault of the women that you haven’t been watching them. That’s your own fault. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, punkskaphil said: It’s not the fault of the women that you haven’t been watching them. That’s your own fault. What do you mean fault? I can watch what I want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 41 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: What do you mean fault? I can watch what I want Which bit don’t you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, punkskaphil said: Which bit don’t you understand? I understand your comment was purposefully ridiculous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Why was it ridiculous? You seem to be annoyed because someone is presenting who you didn’t watch when they were playing. It was the choice you made, therefore also your fault. I could switch “fault” for “problem” if that helps, but where I come from we use the terms interchangeably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, punkskaphil said: Why was it ridiculous? You seem to be annoyed because someone is presenting who you didn’t watch when they were playing. It was the choice you made, therefore also your fault. I could switch “fault” for “problem” if that helps, but where I come from we use the terms interchangeably. It's my fault they're not well known? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: It's my fault they're not well known? Well, I knew about Karen Carney (for example) years ago, and I’m only an average football fan. It’s not like these women pundits are total unknowns who no football fans have heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam_Baggies Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 10 hours ago, punkskaphil said: Well, I knew about Karen Carney (for example) years ago, and I’m only an average football fan. It’s not like these women pundits are total unknowns who no football fans have heard of. It almost feels weird to moan about women pundits being no good when you compare them to their male counterparts.. both are extremely awful. We don’t have this issue in cricket where the punditry and commentary of both the men and women is exceptional 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alb1owl Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Liam_Baggies said: It almost feels weird to moan about women pundits being no good when you compare them to their male counterparts.. both are extremely awful. We don’t have this issue in cricket where the punditry and commentary of both the men and women is exceptional Ooh you had me there until you brought in cricket punditry. TMS has Alex Hartley most of the summer who added almost no useful insight, coupled with sounding like a 13 year old boy! It’s unfair to expect Carney to be better than male counterparts, purely because she’s a woman. However, it would be nice if there was an improvement in the standard across the board. If that’s an all female cast then there’s no issues there, but carney is just as boring and limited as the rest. That’s probably what annoys people when they see her take the place of one of the old boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 11 hours ago, punkskaphil said: Well, I knew about Karen Carney (for example) years ago, and I’m only an average football fan. It’s not like these women pundits are total unknowns who no football fans have heard of. She’s not played at the level or in the competition she is taking about. I’m uninterested in her 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzaswfc Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: She’s not played at the level or in the competition she is taking about. I’m uninterested in her Never did Jose Mourinho any harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 hour ago, cazzaswfc said: Never did Jose Mourinho any harm. Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 There's loads of crap male pundits too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: She’s not played at the level or in the competition she is taking about. I’m uninterested in her Which is tough luck for you, I suppose. Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, punkskaphil said: Which is tough luck for you, I suppose. Never mind. Not sure why you are so aggressively defensive about it. Obviously I make the decision whether to watch or not and can state what I like or dislike about the production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 “Aggressively defensive” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birstall Owl Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 7 hours ago, SiJ said: There's loads of crap male pundits too. Don't get me started!!! There's a reason when we get to HT/FT I either go make a brew on watch another channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birstall Owl Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 9 hours ago, cazzaswfc said: Never did Jose Mourinho any harm. That reminds me of when the great Arrigo Sacchi was questioned regarding his qualifications and never being a professional footballer: "I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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