SiJ Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I mean...this defending. Get they had to go for it, but bloody hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) He has no clue how to organise a defence does he? His teams are always the same. Edited September 15, 2023 by Night King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 They lost the ball what, 8 yards outside the Leicester penalty area? And there was one saints player between Leicester and their goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 minute ago, scram said: They lost the ball what, 8 yards outside the Leicester penalty area? And there was one saints player between Leicester and their goal? Yeah, I think it was Smallbone left by himself. Honestly, that was the sort of thing that happens in 5 aside games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Night King said: He has no clue how to organise a defence does he? His teams are always the same. I'm sure he does as a former PL and International defender - but he definitely hasn't found the balance with this team at least Shocking goals against record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneEightSixSeven Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 We definitely played them at the wrong time.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, scram said: I think thats nonsense tbh Of course he wants to win things but he wants to win playing his way It took him a while to get going at both MK and Swansea as he got his ideas across before the teams got used to them and became consistent At MK Dons he finished 19th and 13th in League One. He then went to Swansea and they finished 15th last season. Despite all these passing records, he's not achieved much has he? I just don't see how an attractive style of play is important to a club in their position. His teams were rubbish defensively at MK Dons and Swansea too, and if they carry on playing like this they'll be nowhere near promotion this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Leicester look a different class to saints - but i think quite a bit of that is down to saints stinking the place out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Actually Martin had another season at Swansea didn't he, and finished 10th. Still think it's an odd appointment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Whitechapel Owl said: At MK Dons he finished 19th and 13th in League One. He then went to Swansea and they finished 15th last season. Despite all these passing records, he's not achieved much has he? I just don't see how an attractive style of play is important to a club in their position. His teams were rubbish defensively at MK Dons and Swansea too, and if they carry on playing like this they'll be nowhere near promotion this season. The issue here is that it ends up in a stat attack as if that's some sort of determinative point Mk was his first job and he was starting to get them where he wanted as regards playing - obviously others look further than just positions on a bit of paper and he got the Swans job - and by the end of the season they were better than what he inherited and although "15th" - they were in the mix for the play offs with a couple of weeks left if i remember correctly Which was obviously noted so he got one of the best jobs outside the premier I just think to suggest he doesn't care about winning is ridiculous - of course he does He knows, i know, you know and everybody who remotely follows football knows that "style" will become irrelevant if it isn't backed by results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, scram said: The issue here is that it ends up in a stat attack as if that's some sort of determinative point Mk was his first job and he was starting to get them where he wanted as regards playing - obviously others look further than just positions on a bit of paper and he got the Swans job - and by the end of the season they were better than what he inherited and although "15th" - they were in the mix for the play offs with a couple of weeks left if i remember correctly Which was obviously noted so he got one of the best jobs outside the premier I just think to suggest he doesn't care about winning is ridiculous - of course he does He knows, i know, you know and everybody who remotely follows football knows that "style" will become irrelevant if it isn't backed by results Yes, and I said so in the same post you're referring to. But like I also said with the rate at which they're conceding goals it's in danger of becoming style over substance. We'll see if he tightens things up, because he's not going to get away with it if he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Malc Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Saints played like they had money on Leicester to win. Never seen a side misplace so many passes that put themselves in imminent danger of conceding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Wow consecutive batterings. Saints manager must be on thin ice now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Saw this very funny (not serious) tweet: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Big Malc said: Saints played like they had money on Leicester to win. Never seen a side misplace so many passes that put themselves in imminent danger of conceding. Obviously they're not meaning to misplace passes but Martin's teams do play very high risk football - and it looks horrific when it goes wrong I'm sure they'll stick to this plan but they have lost their best player in linking this strategy in JWP Watching the game i actually thought Leicester got a bit too bold with their high press and would be vulnerable to more direct play - which is how the saints goal came about I think it's about recognising in-game situations and adapting to exploit rather than stick doggedly to a formula when it has clearly been thwarted Even accounting for saints poor passing some of their defending belongs on the local rec - it was abysmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 23 hours ago, scram said: Obviously they're not meaning to misplace passes but Martin's teams do play very high risk football - and it looks horrific when it goes wrong My recollection is that Russell Martin takes a bit of time to mould teams into the style he wants to play. I think Swansea, if memory serves, struggled in the first half of last season but then finished the season strongly. Trouble is that Southampton are most likely banking on an immediate return to the PL, and patience is probably not on the clubs agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Roy Of The Roasters said: My recollection is that Russell Martin takes a bit of time to mould teams into the style he wants to play. I think Swansea, if memory serves, struggled in the first half of last season but then finished the season strongly. Trouble is that Southampton are most likely banking on an immediate return to the PL, and patience is probably not on the clubs agenda. Yep - fair assessment I think Saints are also banking on them having much better players than he's had in the past so adapting to his system shouldn't take too long I'm really not a fan of giving a new manager only a few games to get to grips with a new job but it's what it is these days and i guess the saints clock will shortly be ringing the alarm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Please don't laugh too loudly - i'm already feeling a little fragile for not skewering xisco in every post But the way Leeds play is kind of how i expected us to play - at least before it became clear we won't going to be acquiring players that can play that way... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Russell Martin is so overrated its untrue. He's done sod all as a manager yet keeps climbing to bigger clubs. Mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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