Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, markowl said: Err. It wasn't a police incident. Er it wasn't a service incident either. Stop making dumb points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, markowl said: If it was a police incident for example skin colour would be absolutely necessary to describe somebody The police use identity codes to avoid this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_codes Edited December 9, 2020 by OxonOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, OxonOwl said: The police use identity codes to avoid this How has that quote been attributed to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Er it wasn't a service incident either. Stop making dumb points I didn't mention service incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, beswetherick said: If you were at work in a shop or a pub or any customer-facing job, and you had a few customers waiting to be served including one who was black (or old, or disabled) and your colleague came to help you and asked who was next, you wouldn’t go “it’s the black/old/disabled one” would you? Unless you are Ellis Rimmer, apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, markowl said: How has that quote been attributed to me? Sorry, I quoted from where you quoted it. Not intentional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: It's not service though is it? Different ways of speaking in different situations If it was a police incident for example skin colour would be absolutely necessary to describe somebody It’s not a police incident though is it — it’s literally something that happened in a workplace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, markowl said: I didn't mention service incidents. Nobody said you did silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, beswetherick said: It’s not a police incident though is it — it’s literally something that happened in a workplace! You made an analogy in a service environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Nobody said you did silly So why quote me then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: You made an analogy in a service environment Yes, because it’s something easy to understand. I’m sure most of us have been at either side of the bar or the service counter at some point. You can use the same analogy for pretty much any other workplace scenario though and my point would be the same. Client, colleague, customer, whoever... when working in a professional capacity, you wouldn’t single someone out as being black/old/disabled... or maybe you would, I don’t know. If someone did that at my firm they’d probably be facing disciplinary action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, markowl said: So why quote me then? I didn't. Must be a site error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, beswetherick said: Yes, because it’s something easy to understand. I’m sure most of us have been at either side of the bar or the service counter at some point. You can use the same analogy for pretty much any other workplace scenario though and my point would be the same. Client, colleague, customer, whoever... when working in a professional capacity, you wouldn’t single someone out as being black/old/disabled... or maybe you would, I don’t know. If someone did that at my firm they’d probably be facing disciplinary action You should read the link I posted. Black people aren't ashamed of being black, therefore have no issue being referred to by their skin colour when appropriate such as if they need to be described. This whole incident last night is because the word used sounds like an offensive term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: You should read the link I posted. Black people aren't ashamed of being black, therefore have no issue being referred to by their skin colour when appropriate such as if they need to be described. This whole incident last night is because the word used sounds like an offensive term. Istanbul forward Demba Ba, who was a substitute, could be seen on the touchline asking the official: "Why, when you mention a black guy, do you have to say this black guy?" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55219529 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I didn't. Must be a site error Must be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, beswetherick said: Istanbul forward Demba Ba, who was a substitute, could be seen on the touchline asking the official: "Why, when you mention a black guy, do you have to say this black guy?" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55219529 Well Ba contradicts the article I posted. Personally think he thought he was being called the N word, and is backtracking to make this point once they explained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, markowl said: Must be Omg Crikey Mark, do you struggle to follow threads or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: Well Ba contradicts the article I posted. Personally think he thought he was being called the N word, and is backtracking to make this point once they explained Is the woman in the article you keep mentioning speaking on behalf of every black person, or is she giving her personal opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, markowl said: Is the woman in the article you keep mentioning speaking on behalf of every black person, or is she giving her personal opinion? I am more inclined to go with what she says than Demba Ba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 It's one of two things. It's either lost in translation, or, it's offensive. Best to let UEFA finish their investigation first rather than having a stab in the dark. With hindsight, it would have been better if the official had pointed the person out and said, it was him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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