Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Bannofan said: Just popped back to see if racism is still be defended by the usual suspect (s). Yep. Two sets of players walked off the pitch, in a Champions League game. But @Ellis Rimmer thinks the 4th official didn't do anything wrong . I am not defending racism. I am debating whether something was racist. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, markowl said: Not sure what that has to do with racism, but I did think when @sonofbert2posted that link, how long before someone slags Stan Collymore off. Not like he wrecked his credibility or anything is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Not like he wrecked his credibility or anything is it? You've no credibility on here, but it doesn't stop you carrying on posting crap. Edited December 9, 2020 by markowl 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronfield Blue Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, markowl said: Not sure what that has to do with racism, but I did think when @sonofbert2posted that link, how long before someone slags Stan Collymore off. I shouldn't have mentioned that. I better not mention his advise to people to be cautious over the Covid vaccine either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Dronfield Blue said: I shouldn't have mentioned that. I better not mention his advise to people to be cautious over the Covid vaccine either. You could if you started a Stan Collymore thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, markowl said: You've no credibility on here, but it doesn't stop you carrying on posting crap. Yeh but nobody actually posts what I say on other forums to back their points do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manwithastick Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 @Ellis Rimmer do you work for the NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Well Ba contradicts the article I posted. Personally think he thought he was being called the N word, and is backtracking to make this point once they explained Perhaps the article you quoted isn't the be all and end all of the subject and does not speak for everyone? How can he be contradicting an article he has not contributed to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I am more inclined to go with what she says than Demba Ba. That's no surprise is it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Dronfield Blue said: It's one of two things. It's either lost in translation, or, it's offensive. Best to let UEFA finish their investigation first rather than having a stab in the dark. With hindsight, it would have been better if the official had pointed the person out and said, it was him. Hindsight should not be required. At that level of the game with the focus that the sport has on such issued the official should and probably has received training on such matters. It may well have been a mistake made in the heat of a moment rather than being purposely offensive but it is still something that has to been acknowledged and learned from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I presume most were not black on the bench. Would be quite weird if they were mainly black, I would then agree that is needless use of the skin colour. I don't think there is any necessity to learn who all the players and coaches are. If that were the case why do the players need numbers? Probably more important to know the names of key personnel given that they wont be identifiable by numbers. What would you have expected the ref to make a note of when he sent the guy off? Do you think he would have noted it down as 'the black guy' just as the 4th official told him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yeh but nobody actually posts what I say on other forums to back their points do they? I'd certainly hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, Manwithastick said: @Ellis Rimmer do you work for the NHS? Yes 38 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Perhaps the article you quoted isn't the be all and end all of the subject and does not speak for everyone? How can he be contradicting an article he has not contributed to? Well the article appears quite informed, I'm sure many have the same view 28 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Probably more important to know the names of key personnel given that they wont be identifiable by numbers. What would you have expected the ref to make a note of when he sent the guy off? Do you think he would have noted it down as 'the black guy' just as the 4th official told him? I don't know what you expect me to comment here. I don't know whether the officials are supposed to learn all the names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG_1984 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Where has this notion come from that you don’t refer to someone by their skin colour? If it’s the only distinguishing feature when there is no other, what’s the problem? In fact it looks ridiculous if you strain to find something more obscure, as of black is bad. I’ve recently been on a race relations workshop (led by a guy originally from sun-Saharan Africa) and denying people’s ethnicity is considered a micro aggression similar to “I’ve got black mates” as they are proud of their heritage. But the white middle class judge and jury on Twitter and owlstalk have ruled that he’s racist so that’s that I guess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, PeteG_1984 said: Where has this notion come from that you don’t refer to someone by their skin colour? If it’s the only distinguishing feature when there is no other, what’s the problem? In fact it looks ridiculous if you strain to find something more obscure, as of black is bad. I’ve recently been on a race relations workshop (led by a guy originally from sun-Saharan Africa) and denying people’s ethnicity is considered a micro aggression similar to “I’ve got black mates” as they are proud of their heritage. But the white middle class judge and jury on Twitter and owlstalk have ruled that he’s racist so that’s that I guess. If it's not such a big deal, why did both teams walk off the field and refuse to carry on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yes Well the article appears quite informed, I'm sure many have the same view I don't know what you expect me to comment here. I don't know whether the officials are supposed to learn all the names. So if you worked in a hospital or a surgery and walked into a waiting room with half a dozen people, 5 white and 1 black, you would be fine saying, 'I'll see the black guy next'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, PeteG_1984 said: Where has this notion come from that you don’t refer to someone by their skin colour? If it’s the only distinguishing feature when there is no other, what’s the problem? In fact it looks ridiculous if you strain to find something more obscure, as of black is bad. I’ve recently been on a race relations workshop (led by a guy originally from sun-Saharan Africa) and denying people’s ethnicity is considered a micro aggression similar to “I’ve got black mates” as they are proud of their heritage. But the white middle class judge and jury on Twitter and owlstalk have ruled that he’s racist so that’s that I guess. I've recently done some diversity training and singling out someone and referring to them as 'the black guy' would not be well received, especially when there is more than one black person in the vicinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteG_1984 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, markowl said: If it's not such a big deal, why did both teams walk off the field and refuse to carry on? Because they thought it was a more offensive term and/or didn’t know the full facts. 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: I've recently done some diversity training and singling out someone and referring to them as 'the black guy' would not be well received, especially when there is more than one black person in the vicinity. If he needs to quickly identify someone, doesn’t know their name and all other things are equal what does he do? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, PeteG_1984 said: Because they thought it was a more offensive term and/or didn’t know the full facts. How do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, PeteG_1984 said: If he needs to quickly identify someone, doesn’t know their name and all other things are equal what does he do? Are you honestly suggesting a EUFA match official doesn't know the Assistant Coach of one of the two teams playing? Come on mate that's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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