dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Steve Down South said: Like the idea, but should it be set at the same level for each club or in relation to revenue streams? if you go with the latter, would some unscrupulous lot find a way around bringing more money in? would some people awake to find a ferrari in their drive, offshore accounts, etc.? it may well be a move in the right direction, but it needs to be thoroughly examined to find loopholes before someone drives a bus through it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, hasthagotanycheese said: Fixed for the league regardless of revenue stream. Only way to make it a fair competition. the premier isn't a 'fair' competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I thought it said Championship Salary Cup - more fixtures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, scram said: Because even if players lose a set amount of money by being relegated the PL contracts are generally so vast that the wage burden is still high It's also relatively recent - i think clubs like Villa never expected to get relegated so probably weren't thought necessary then I understand (though not necessarily agree with) parachute payments and it has levelled the field somewhat in the PL But it has created a glass ceiling in the champs - the law of unintended consequences and all that I hate saying this but over the last couple of years football has become so obscene i do think we need to start seeing clubs going under Football desperately needs rebooting on a sensible and sustainable footing in that case the reduction in salary when falling from premier to championship is not enough. besides the badge kissing prima donnas will be off elsewhere anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Steve Down South said: It depends what you regard as fair I suppose. I don’t think there is anything wrong with a club being able to pay more if it was affordable. you'd have the dings complaining again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 14 hours ago, hasthagotanycheese said: Sorry but you are wrong. The principal of teams playing in the same competition on a level playing field means thay they should all operate under exactly the same wage cap fixed for the league that they are playing in. Imagine if Man Utd came down with crowds of 80K per week and they were competing with us on 25k per week they would be able to spend over 3 times as much as us on squad wages. That aint fair and would merely perpetuate the current situation where parachute payments distort competition in the Championship. At the end of the day a league competition should be decided by sporting factors not financial. But it was always that way. In the main the big powerful clubs win the trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 13 hours ago, scram said: Fair enough But why should attendances be the limit of how a club is able to operate financially? how would you stop a club owner bunging another business £5m to sponsor their shirts for £5.5m, the club gets an underhand £5m, and someone gets a season's shirt sponsorship for £500k. win/win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirksandallowl Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Yellowbelly said: What would happen with clubs relegated from the PL? It would only work if the EFL could introduce a fair way of integrating them into the league. 15 hours ago, kirksandallowl said: Not sure, wasn’t told that bit of the jigsaw 36 minutes ago, dorian gray said: are relegated clubs with cheating money exempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, jonnyowl said: Got no problem with it in general, but a couple of issues. But what do you do with relegated premier league clubs? A team promoted to premiership is going to have to drastically increase their wage bill to compete in the premiership. Will smaller clubs, like Rotherham who cant afford an £18m wage bill, risk more to compete in the championship? 1) relegated pl clubs would be covered by ALL pl players having had 'relegation means a reduction in salary accordingly' written into contracts, we pretty much know anyone of pl standard will be off anyway to kiss another club's badge. 2) true, but the financial reward for winning promotion should be increased, to give them sufficient spending power to have a fair chance of survival. 3) yes, IF they want to take that risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 52 minutes ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: What about this your Budget is your season ticket money ,Your tv money ,Merchandise .Away fans revenue goes towards the club for the running of the Academy ,You can also use 50% of the money you make from player sales in that season ,Towards your budget ,This is to encourage clubs to develop your own players ,One transfer window at the end of the season ,No winter one ,This means any injuries in the season use your u23 players ,Spend what you have ,Not what you have not. Something along those lines would also work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Got to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said: What about this your Budget is your season ticket money ,Your tv money ,Merchandise .Away fans revenue goes towards the club for the running of the Academy ,You can also use 50% of the money you make from player sales in that season ,Towards your budget ,This is to encourage clubs to develop your own players ,One transfer window at the end of the season ,No winter one ,This means any injuries in the season use your u23 players ,Spend what you have ,Not what you have not. have to agree jeff, not a bad start off point. send it to the fl, they'll be sure to use none of it. i'm not sure the maths adds up on the season ticket money being your entire budget, but close to. there'd need to be protection of these academy players so pl clubs couldn't do a george hirst/leicestershitty job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 17 hours ago, kirksandallowl said: I understand that the EFL/Championship are currently looking at bringing in a salary cap possibly for as early as next season. I believe the model being considered is each club would name a 25 man squad similar to the premier league, the maximum allowable salary for the who squad will be £18m, ie an average of £720,000 per player. Obviously you can pay certain players more but then others need to be paid less to compensate. Not saying it will definitely happen but it is 100% under consideration. what are people’s thoughts? perhaps that's the hold up in our p&s case. the fl have decided there is no case to answer, but added 'could you give us a hand sorting this out while you're here?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasthagotanycheese Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, dorian gray said: the premier isn't a 'fair' competition. I agree with you. They should also have a fixed salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Imagine a fair Championship salary cap. Instead of forking out millions per year to subsidise the wages of the likes of Abdi and Rhodes of the Championship that money would instead either be saved by the chairman or football club in question, or invested into staff capable of finding the best players for the lowest price... perhaps in the training ground or academy. The option to spend ludicrous amounts of money would still be there, but it would be funneled down paths that increase a club's long-term prospects... What a wonderful system that could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasthagotanycheese Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: But it was always that way. In the main the big powerful clubs win the trophies. Just because something has always been that way doesnt make it right. The bodies running football should be duty bound to ensure as level a playing field for their competitions as possible. Salary caps would be one way of ensuring that clubs are not able to simply buy their way to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasthagotanycheese Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, StudentOwl said: Imagine a fair Championship salary cap. Instead of forking out millions per year to subsidise the wages of the likes of Abdi and Rhodes of the Championship that money would instead either be saved by the chairman or football club in question, or invested into staff capable of finding the best players for the lowest price... perhaps in the training ground or academy. The option to spend ludicrous amounts of money would still be there, but it would be funneled down paths that increase a club's long-term prospects... What a wonderful system that could be. More money invested in stadium facilities, community development, cheaper ticket prices, better catering the list of potential benefits goes on and on. Football has needed to have a proper reset for a few years. Now's the time for root and branch reform in the organisation and structure of the game to make it more sustainable going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Why are people so keen to shovel vast amounts into an academy system that sees a productivity return of around 1%? Fans want the best possible players they can get for their first team - they aren't remotely interested in their academy Yet one of the proposals here would see clubs spending 3-4x more on their academy than their first team! madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack's Flat Cap Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Four of the bottom six teams are currently or just recently in receipt of parachute payments. Then there's Sunderland in league one, so plenty of teams squander them and fail to go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasthagotanycheese Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, scram said: Why are people so keen to shovel vast amounts into an academy system that sees a productivity return of around 1%? Fans want the best possible players they can get for their first team - they aren't remotely interested in their academy Yet one of the proposals here would see clubs spending 3-4x more on their academy than their first team! madness No more madness than the 30k per week that went into Abdi's pocket for absolutely zero return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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