scram Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 We can always pick out the odd example to ridiculously skew a debate Do you think it was worth Watford's while paying him £30k pw when he was their best and most influential player as they got promoted? That is the risk of signing players - some times they just don't work out and we have had quite a few of those What i'm talking about is the lunacy of spending way more on the academy than on the first team Which would be the case for many clubs if they could only spend season ticket money on the first team and everything else on the academy An academy system that is notoriously unproductive bar a handful of clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasthagotanycheese Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, scram said: We can always pick out the odd example to ridiculously skew a debate Do you think it was worth Watford's while paying him £30k pw when he was their best and most influential player as they got promoted? That is the risk of signing players - some times they just don't work out and we have had quite a few of those What i'm talking about is the lunacy of spending way more on the academy than on the first team Which would be the case for many clubs if they could only spend season ticket money on the first team and everything else on the academy An academy system that is notoriously unproductive bar a handful of clubs Academy spend should also be controlled, again stopping clubs effectively cheating by hoovering up the best of the young talent. At the risk of ridiculously skewing the debate, I'll throw in the example of Chelsea who for years have had 90 odd pros on their books, half of them nowhere near the first team loaned out to other clubs but all contracted to Chelsea.....how is that fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Chelsea are one of the few profitable academies A few other clubs have a sizable number of academy players to rival Chelsea. Man City, man u, Liverpool spurs If they can make the investment to make the model work then surely it is fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommers Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 22 hours ago, scram said: I'd imagine that relegation clauses would have to be written into contracts that would reduce the wage bill to the value of the salary cap below? Might seem a bit drastic but not as drastic as the current shitshow that football has become with most clubs spending more on wages than they get in income That could also be used as a means to scrapping parachute payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Excellent thread chaps, really enjoying reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtawnyowl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, hasthagotanycheese said: At the risk of ridiculously skewing the debate, I'll throw in the example of Chelsea who for years have had 90 odd pros on their books, half of them nowhere near the first team loaned out to other clubs but all contracted to Chelsea.....how is that fair? How is an EFL salary cap going to stop that happening with teams like Chelsea, Manchester City etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 All for a salary cap. Might restore some natural order to things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 The NFL seem to have it about right. Although the New England Patriots have kinda dominated, each year it sees different teams doing well. I believe there is a salary cap of some sort and a draft system that benefits the previous seasons bottom team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 like the idea but its pure fantasy ,relegated teams would be allowed a wage bill 4x that , as aston villa have a huge wage bill as if players dont want to leave who are on big money then what? just totally unworkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasthagotanycheese Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, oldtawnyowl said: How is an EFL salary cap going to stop that happening with teams like Chelsea, Manchester City etc. Its an example. However salary caps need to happen right across the football pyramid not just in the EFL. The current situation is designed to perpetuate the rich clubs getting richer with very little trickle down to the lower leagues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueOwl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Any chairman who knows what he is doing will find a way to exploit it. That's us screwed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueOwl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) You guys do realise that 80% of our revenue would be debilitating for clubs who do not generate gross revenue? Turkeys voting for X-mas. The squad will get worse and worse and the season ticket prices will be apocalyptic. It won't help matters at all it will lead to mini leagues like the premier league and ours would be firmly in the lower - middle of the table indefinitely. Edited July 5, 2020 by TrueOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 There does seem to be considerable merit in this. Just out of interest how much income do we generate each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueOwl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Plonk said: There does seem to be considerable merit in this. Just out of interest how much income do we generate each year. 2.5m net profit. Aren't we financial sustainable? Can't wait to see next years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesowl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 03/07/2020 at 20:06, kirksandallowl said: I understand that the EFL/Championship are currently looking at bringing in a salary cap possibly for as early as next season. I believe the model being considered is each club would name a 25 man squad similar to the premier league, the maximum allowable salary for the who squad will be £18m, ie an average of £720,000 per player. Obviously you can pay certain players more but then others need to be paid less to compensate. Not saying it will definitely happen but it is 100% under consideration. what are people’s thoughts? About time although £18m is still a lot. I think we could expect to see new loopholes open though like sponsored players etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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