Inspector Lestrade Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Can see it being full of holes, motorway service stations, brown paper parcels. Under tables etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycraign10others Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, hasthagotanycheese said: Fixed for the league regardless of revenue stream. Only way to make it a fair competition. Afraid that’s not fair from a business point if view. A club like Wednesday regularly getting gates between 20k and 25k should not be limited in paying its employees the same as, say, Rotherham with a significantly smaller income. Also there would need to be some change to the current parachute situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Recent history has shown us that we don't have anyone at the club with the Excel skills to track this on a spreadsheet........Another embargo headed our way....... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sefton owl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, Steve Down South said: Like the idea, but should it be set at the same level for each club or in relation to revenue streams? The whole point of a cap is that it’s applied universally, not on different circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Tommycraign10others said: Afraid that’s not fair from a business point if view. A club like Wednesday regularly getting gates between 20k and 25k should not be limited in paying its employees the same as, say, Rotherham with a significantly smaller income. Also there would need to be some change to the current parachute situation. Well then the cap needs to be set at a point where 'smaller' clubs can't afford to reach it without significant chairman investment, whereas larger clubs benefit from their larger gate receipts, sponsorship income etc. Just because there's an implementation of a cap doesn't mean every club could or should actually hit said cap... there's a balance to be found by the powers that be that simultaneously cap wages whilst allowing bigger clubs to have increased pulling power through wages. A salary cap is the easiest solution 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sefton owl said: The whole point of a cap is that it’s applied universally, not on different circumstances. Don’t see why that has to be the case, and would be simpler than attempting to set cap at a level which teams generating less revenue could not afford (as suggested by Student Owl). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HillsboroughOwlNI Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Should be capped at a % of revenue. Could start fairly generously to give clubs time to adjust then reduced down from say 100% to 70% over 4 seasons. Then just do away with ridiculous P&S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasthagotanycheese Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 48 minutes ago, Tommycraign10others said: Afraid that’s not fair from a business point if view. A club like Wednesday regularly getting gates between 20k and 25k should not be limited in paying its employees the same as, say, Rotherham with a significantly smaller income. Also there would need to be some change to the current parachute situation. Sorry but you are wrong. The principal of teams playing in the same competition on a level playing field means thay they should all operate under exactly the same wage cap fixed for the league that they are playing in. Imagine if Man Utd came down with crowds of 80K per week and they were competing with us on 25k per week they would be able to spend over 3 times as much as us on squad wages. That aint fair and would merely perpetuate the current situation where parachute payments distort competition in the Championship. At the end of the day a league competition should be decided by sporting factors not financial. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Tommycraign10others said: Afraid that’s not fair from a business point if view. A club like Wednesday regularly getting gates between 20k and 25k should not be limited in paying its employees the same as, say, Rotherham with a significantly smaller income. Also there would need to be some change to the current parachute situation. What if Rovrum had a really innovative marketing department that saw them generate 10x the income of Wednesday? Would you be happy their salary cap was 10x ours? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycraign10others Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, scram said: What if Rovrum had a really innovative marketing department that saw them generate 10x the income of Wednesday? Would you be happy their salary cap was 10x ours? In a word yes. If we are ever fortunate to reach the Premiership I would not be calling foul because we have to compete with the likes of Man City, Man U. That’s how life works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Fair enough But why should attendances be the limit of how a club is able to operate financially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggowl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, kirksandallowl said: I understand that the EFL/Championship are currently looking at bringing in a salary cap possibly for as early as next season. I believe the model being considered is each club would name a 25 man squad similar to the premier league, the maximum allowable salary for the who squad will be £18m, ie an average of £720,000 per player. Obviously you can pay certain players more but then others need to be paid less to compensate. Not saying it will definitely happen but it is 100% under consideration. what are people’s thoughts? It's a start, although I thought most clubs don't make anything like £18m turnover. Still seems unsustainable but its something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggowl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: Should be capped at a % of revenue. Could start fairly generously to give clubs time to adjust then reduced down from say 100% to 70% over 4 seasons. Then just do away with ridiculous P&S. Was thinking the same. You can only spend 80% of turnover on wages or something like would be the best way to implement this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 IMO The EFL are quite simply not fit for purpose. EPL don't fair any better in terms of universal respect. Football is one game with many tiers and should be led by one body elected by all who choose to participate including players, officials and fans. The EPL and EFL need collapsing a new form of Football Association needs forming with a built in majority of fans as it is they who are the lifeblood of the game. Trickle down has worked well hasn't it with kids having to pay over £10 subs in some cases. Yes the EPL is a great product but the greed is sickening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Incidentally, does ny other footballing country have TWO governing bodies? We have for years suffered from this with the FA and the FL We now have THREE -t he FA, the English Premier League and the English Championship and below. Each have their own sets of rules as to the financial running of the game. We then have the overruling body of FIFA. At one time we had a reasonable distinction between the two bodies in that the FA covered all football in respect of the Laws of the game, discipline, and the Amateur game, whilst the FL governed the financial side. The trouble started when the bigger clubs smelled the prospect of money in Europe, and decided to form what was essentially a break-away league that didn't quite break away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 What about this your Budget is your season ticket money ,Your tv money ,Merchandise .Away fans revenue goes towards the club for the running of the Academy ,You can also use 50% of the money you make from player sales in that season ,Towards your budget ,This is to encourage clubs to develop your own players ,One transfer window at the end of the season ,No winter one ,This means any injuries in the season use your u23 players ,Spend what you have ,Not what you have not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Yellowbelly said: What would happen with clubs relegated from the PL? It would only work if the EFL could introduce a fair way of integrating them into the league. Well if they enforced what parachute payments were actually for then there wouldn’t be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Got no problem with it in general, but a couple of issues. But what do you do with relegated premier league clubs? A team promoted to premiership is going to have to drastically increase their wage bill to compete in the premiership. Will smaller clubs, like Rotherham who cant afford an £18m wage bill, risk more to compete in the championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, kirksandallowl said: I understand that the EFL/Championship are currently looking at bringing in a salary cap possibly for as early as next season. I believe the model being considered is each club would name a 25 man squad similar to the premier league, the maximum allowable salary for the who squad will be £18m, ie an average of £720,000 per player. Obviously you can pay certain players more but then others need to be paid less to compensate. Not saying it will definitely happen but it is 100% under consideration. what are people’s thoughts? are relegated clubs with cheating money exempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 hours ago, scram said: I'd imagine that relegation clauses would have to be written into contracts that would reduce the wage bill to the value of the salary cap below? Might seem a bit drastic but not as drastic as the current shitshow that football has become with most clubs spending more on wages than they get in income it's utterly staggering to me that it isn't that way as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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