'Fancy Dan' footballers quote

[DJMortimer]

53 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

In the season of 1991-92 we finished in 3rd place. In the summer of 1992 we signed Chris Waddle. In 1992-93 we finished 7th and never finished as high as 3rd with Waddle in the side. By your reckoning throughout this thread that would make Waddle an ineffective signing would it not?  

 

It's a bit silly really isn't it? There are presumably endless examples of the same thing and all of them proving very little in isolation, as you demonstrate above. For example, Ron Atkinson led us to 16th in 1997/8, and the next year we finished 12th with Danny Wilson in charge. Does that make the latter a better manager? Can our slump this season be attributed to Kadeem Harris? Alan Shearer's arrival at Newcastle saw them go from 2nd to 13th (twice) and 11th (twice). Gary Lineker was at Everton for one season, but they won the league title in those either side of it. 

 

He's found a couple of bits of information that are tenuously supportive of his narrative that Di Canio was somehow a handbrake on the club's progress and literally everything else is dismissed as "excuses and half-truths"; even the club's hopeless collapse that began just a few months after he left and revealed the true state of the squad without him. It's a kangaroo court where he gets to choose what evidence is admissible and what isn't. There is no reasoning possible with someone operating with that degree of bias.

 

[Guest Willow Owl]

Just now, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Our league position was lower in the one season he completed for us compared with the season before and after. 

 

Same applies to Chris Waddle so if that if the basis of your argument then I presume you think Waddle made us worse.

 

It seems every point that goes against your side of the debate is irrelevant though!  

 

We got there in the end.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Willow Owl]

2 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

It's a bit silly really isn't it? There are presumably endless examples of the same thing and all of them proving very little in isolation, as you demonstrate above. For example, Ron Atkinson led us to 16th in 1997/8, and the next year we finished 12th with Danny Wilson in charge. Does that make the latter a better manager? Can our slump this season be attributed to Kadeem Harris? Alan Shearer's arrival at Newcastle saw them go from 2nd to 13th (twice) and 11th (twice). Gary Lineker was at Everton for one season, but they won the league title in those either side of it. 

 

He's found a couple of bits of information that are tenuously supportive of his narrative that Di Canio was somehow a handbrake on the club's progress and literally everything else is dismissed as "excuses and half-truths"; even the club's hopeless collapse that began just a few months after he left and revealed the true state of the squad without him. It's a kangaroo court where he gets to choose what evidence is admissible and what isn't. There is no reasoning possible with someone operating with that degree of bias.

 

Calm down you will give yourself a coronary. Why the anger and bitterness,

it’s only a debate.

We got there in the end by quoting truth and facts And not trying to put a spin on peoples quotes and opinions. 
 

Time for bed with a Horlicks, so relaxed
   

 

[DJMortimer]

Where did we get to? Your threadbare arguments have been demonstrated to be based on selective and false premises. The only answer to most of them is to say they don't count because you don't like them. Hardly scientific or authoritative.

 

 

 

[Guest Willow Owl]

46 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

Where did we get to? Your threadbare arguments have been demonstrated to be based on selective and false premises. The only answer to most of them is to say they don't count because you don't like them. Hardly scientific or authoritative.

 

 

 

Calm down why so irate. You are going to have to go to anger management classes. Oh sorry that’s me  
Selective and false, tell me who keeps referring to West Ham, 442 magazine, Celtic, Alec Ferguson, Tommy Burns, Ron Atkinson. On top of numerous excuses regarding why he never played for Italy all with no relevance to what I have said. 
My opinions are based on facts not irrelevant excuses.

 

Just listening to Madness which just about sums up your excuses 

 

Night boat to Cairo. Here comes the boat only half a float last boat down the river Nile.

 

Awaits reply with a load more excuses and attempts to justify the irrelevance of his argument.
 

 

 

 

[DJMortimer]

1 minute ago, Willow Owl said:

Calm down why so irate. You are going to have to go to anger management classes. Oh sorry that’s me  
Selective and false, tell me who keeps referring to West Ham, 442 magazine, Celtic, Alec Ferguson, Tommy Burns, Ron Atkinson. On top of numerous excuses regarding why he never played for Italy all with no relevance to what I have said. 
My opinions are based on facts not irrelevant excuses.

 

Just listening to Madness which just about sums up your excuses 

 

Night boat to Cairo. Here comes the boat only half a float last boat down the river Nile.

 

Awaits reply with a load more excuses and attempts to justify the irrelevance of his argument.
 

 

There are a lot of facts in this thread. Whether that be one of the best managers ever wanting to buy him, helping teams to major honours like the UEFA Cup and Serie A title, being voted one of the 60 best Premier League players ever and our team collapsing completely just a few months after he left. The only difference is whether you like them or not.

 

[Emerson Thome]

10 hours ago, Willow Owl said:

What was our league position in his one full season with us, Compared to one before and one after?

 

We were 10th in the league after that Alcock game - it was literally downhill all the way from there after Di Canio left, we never got back to the giddy heights of the first page of the Premier League table ever again, and still waiting 21 years later.

[Guest Willow Owl]

14 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

There are a lot of facts in this thread. Whether that be one of the best managers ever wanting to buy him, helping teams to major honours like the UEFA Cup and Serie A title, being voted one of the 60 best Premier League players ever and our team collapsing completely just a few months after he left. The only difference is whether you like them or not.

 

All with no relevance to my post regarding Di Canio. 

 

 

[Guest Willow Owl]

20 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

We were 10th in the league after that Alcock game - it was literally downhill all the way from there after Di Canio left, we never got back to the giddy heights of the first page of the Premier League table ever again, and still waiting 21 years later.

In his one and only complete season we finished 16th. The Alcock incident was the season after and we finished 12th.

[DJMortimer]

2 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

We were 10th in the league after that Alcock game - it was literally downhill all the way from there after Di Canio left, we never got back to the giddy heights of the first page of the Premier League table ever again, and still waiting 21 years later.

 

And it started quickly. After Di Canio's last appearance, we won just 3 of the next 14 league games, failing to even score in exactly half of them. Our form improved around the time the Italian actually left the club (end of January 1999), as we won 4 out of 5, and as it turned out, that just about saved our bacon. Because before winning the final two games, we'd been successful in only 1 out of 10. The season after that was just one long hopeless, desperate surrender to relegation.

 

Here's the line-up from the first game after Di Canio's final appearance; a 0-4 defeat at Middlesbrough. But we were much better off without him obviously.

 

Kevin Pressman

Andy Hinchcliffe

Des Walker

Emerson Thome

Peter Atherton

Juan Cobian (Earl Barrett)

Ritchie Humphreys

Petter Rudi (Scott Oakes)

Jim Magilton (Francesco Sanetti)

Wim Jonk

Niclas Alexandersson

 

 

 

 

[Guest Willow Owl]

2 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

And it started quickly. After Di Canio's last appearance, we won just 3 of the next 14 league games, failing to even score in exactly half of them. Our form improved around the time the Italian actually left the club (end of January 1999), as we won 4 out of 5, and as it turned out, that just about saved our bacon. Because before winning the final two games, we'd been successful in only 1 out of 10. The season after that was just one long hopeless, desperate surrender to relegation.

 

Here's the line-up from the first game after Di Canio's final appearance; a 0-4 defeat at Middlesbrough. But we were much better off without him obviously.

 

Kevin Pressman

Andy Hinchcliffe

Des Walker

Emerson Thome

Peter Atherton

Juan Cobian (Earl Barrett)

Ritchie Humphreys

Petter Rudi (Scott Oakes)

Jim Magilton (Francesco Sanetti)

Wim Jonk

Niclas Alexandersson

 

 

 

 

Looking for supporters I see. It’s 3.15 am where are you

[alanharper]

9 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

And it started quickly. After Di Canio's last appearance, we won just 3 of the next 14 league games, failing to even score in exactly half of them. Our form improved around the time the Italian actually left the club (end of January 1999), as we won 4 out of 5, and as it turned out, that just about saved our bacon. Because before winning the final two games, we'd been successful in only 1 out of 10. The season after that was just one long hopeless, desperate surrender to relegation.

 

Here's the line-up from the first game after Di Canio's final appearance; a 0-4 defeat at Middlesbrough. But we were much better off without him obviously.

 

Kevin Pressman

Andy Hinchcliffe

Des Walker

Emerson Thome

Peter Atherton

Juan Cobian (Earl Barrett)

Ritchie Humphreys

Petter Rudi (Scott Oakes)

Jim Magilton (Francesco Sanetti)

Wim Jonk

Niclas Alexandersson

 

 

 

 

 

Blimey, who picked that team, Jos? Looks like a 5-5-0 formation, unless Humphreys played up front on his own (over 2 years after his brief purple patch) - and we still shipped 4 goals!

 

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Edited April 5, 2020 by alanharper

[Guest]

2 hours ago, alanharper said:

 

Blimey, who picked that team, Jos? Looks like a 5-5-0 formation, unless Humphreys played up front on his own (over 2 years after his brief purple patch) - and we still shipped 4 goals!

 

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I went to that game, can't remember us playing without a striker but also can't remember us doing anything of note so seems about aright. Think Gazza scored a free-kick in the last minute after Hinchecliffe had been sent off for a second booking. Happy days!

 

Looking at that squad , I recall Juan Cobian getting a good send off from the crowd after the last home game of the season. He seemed quite popular but only played about 10 games for us and many of them were defeats, this Boro game was his last start for us.  

[DJMortimer]

1 hour ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Looking at that squad , I recall Juan Cobian getting a good send off from the crowd after the last home game of the season. He seemed quite popular but only played about 10 games for us and many of them were defeats, this Boro game was his last start for us.  

 

I seem to remember Cobian getting quite emotional when the players were doing their lap of honour. He wanted to stay. But as the team finished in a lower league position than the previous year, perhaps we ought to be lambasting him as a loser?

 

[pazowl55]

14 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

And it started quickly. After Di Canio's last appearance, we won just 3 of the next 14 league games, failing to even score in exactly half of them. Our form improved around the time the Italian actually left the club (end of January 1999), as we won 4 out of 5, and as it turned out, that just about saved our bacon. Because before winning the final two games, we'd been successful in only 1 out of 10. The season after that was just one long hopeless, desperate surrender to relegation.

 

Here's the line-up from the first game after Di Canio's final appearance; a 0-4 defeat at Middlesbrough. But we were much better off without him obviously.

 

Kevin Pressman

Andy Hinchcliffe

Des Walker

Emerson Thome

Peter Atherton

Juan Cobian (Earl Barrett)

Ritchie Humphreys

Petter Rudi (Scott Oakes)

Jim Magilton (Francesco Sanetti)

Wim Jonk

Niclas Alexandersson

 

 

 

 

Yes finally a team with no fancy dan's on the pitch and three right backs playing there part in the match. Without knowing the result. I am going for a comfortable workman like win.

[Ante's Bubbly]

On 01/04/2020 at 20:40, hirstyboywonder said:

 

Can't have been many instances of a club failing to give legal representation to their player or failing to turn up and take in the official hearing at all.

 

Regardless of this 'conspiracy' as you call it, Richards (should I call him Sir?) walked out on Wednesday in February 2000 as the club was in the midst of a relegation battle and in the years to come we suffered further misery which was due in no small part to the debts we had at the time he left due to the decisions he had made.

Man in top Premiership job, supports player that shocks football by pushing over ref mid tantrum and spitting his fancy dan dummy out, while also pushing for top job on FA board?

 

Nah. Richardson was never going to back Di Canio. He wanted shut of PDC and his wages, had already criticised his attitude and desperately wanted (and got) his big job with the FA. 

 

Whether Richards made a simple political decision for his own personal benefit, or whether he thought Di Canio had pulled his last dummy spitting stunt for SWFC, who knows, but Richards spent way too much on older players wages, rather than encouraging the signing of young talent, which is a lesson that our club obviously has still not learned.

[DJMortimer]

Paolo Di Canio talks about his time at Wednesday for a few minutes, including the circumstances of how he left. His version of events remains much the same as previously. 

 

 

 

[@owlstalk]

 

Love that man.

What a player..

[DJMortimer]

From The Star today, an interview with Petter Rudi...

 

 

Quote

 

And while he is clear in his opinion that off-field pressures meant that the club was in constant decline in that time, there are two moments in particular that stand out to him as key.

 

That heart-stopping day against Arsenal was one. Known to many as the most talented players to have played for Wednesday Di Canio, banned for 11 matches for his push on Alcock, was sent home to Italy, didn’t hear from the club for several weeks and was eventually sold to West Ham at a knockdown price.

 

“If I remember correctly he was not banned from training also, the club banned him,” Rudi said. “They didn't have to do that. He felt the club was not supporting him. Maybe the 11 game ban was punishment enough.

[NOTE : Based on the rest of this piece, I assume this is an error from either interviewer or interviewee and that Di Canio was banned from training]

 

“If you suspend him from training you make the statement that what he did was not OK, but it made it very difficult for him to come back and play for the club. Maybe it was not handled well enough by the club.

 

“Paolo was fantastic. He was so involved in training and everything came down to the fact he really wanted us to perform. Football was everything to him. “He was putting a lot of pressure on all the players and himself, he was such a big personality and sometimes it was too much for him. “I have not met many more serious players than him for training and other things. Of course in some situations, he crossed the line.”

 

 

[@owlstalk]