Guest ka58 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, dorian gray said: trophy cabinet and bank balance BOTH EMPTY. an aging, unfit, and injured squad not capable of playing any sort of pressing game, and being shut down in it's 'tiptap' approach. opinions, YES, those who know better, and those still duped by the bullshitter. Tip tapping our way to consecutive play off finishes - yes I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 From a football point of view, our 1st season under Carlos was awesome. Some great passing goals and good football. Was great to watch. Apart from that, what a load of poo we've had for the other 9 seasons ish. Even the 4th place finish was full of awful football. Carlos nicks it for me in front of Gray, more due to being the best of an awful bunch of managers(Bruce and Monk wasn't/haven't been here long enough for me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, ka58 said: Tip tapping our way to consecutive play off finishes - yes I remember. Can finish in the playoffs every year, pretty pointless however if you never win them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, 83owl said: Can finish in the playoffs every year, pretty pointless however if you never win them. Pretty pointless starting each league campaign unless you win the league yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, ka58 said: Tip tapping our way to consecutive play off finishes - yes I remember. and achieving the same as the team who finished 21st'., remember that too? the wembley 'no show', the 'uddersfield shambles, the shameful disgrace of being leathered by the pigs on home soil, or anywhere else for that matter, remember them too? broken and injured players, totally unfit to play winning professional football, the charlatan has been exposed, but some still cannot see a clear picture through the smoke and mirrors with tears for their hero in their eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, dorian gray said: and achieving the same as the team who finished 21st'., remember that too? the wembley 'no show', the 'uddersfield shambles, the shameful disgrace of being leathered by the pigs on home soil, or anywhere else for that matter, remember them too? broken and injured players, totally unfit to play winning professional football, the charlatan has been exposed, but some still cannot see a clear picture through the smoke and mirrors with tears for their hero in their eyes. Two best league finishes in the last 20 years - consecutively. league cup quarter finalists. 43% win percentage. saying that finishing 4th but not getting promoted is the same as finishing 21st is also really daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ka58 said: Two best league finishes in the last 20 years - consecutively. league cup quarter finalists. 43% win percentage. saying that finishing 4th but not getting promoted is the same as finishing 21st is also really daft. it is IF you're the one NOT paying for it, but when you're stumping the bill (and don't have time for childish thoughts) then FAILURE IS FAILURE. 2 best league finishes in 20 years, what did that win? and how much did it cost? league cup quarter finals, what did that win? and how much did it cost? 43% win percentage, what did the club win in that, or those seasons? and how much did it cost? i'll help you here, it won **** all, and cost the clubs entire transfer kitty, for those seasons, and some still to come. it MAY cost an AWFUL LOT MORE YET....RELEGATION. money spent, club in dire financial trouble, threat of serious sanctions hanging over the club, aged squad, a squad left lacking in anything other than the charlatans one idea of play. he was a proper dumpling, but he had, and has you fooled. look how many other clubs are fighting over the signature of your hero. congratulations on your appointment to the cocoettes. Edited January 1, 2020 by dorian gray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 30/12/2019 at 16:08, Ellis Rimmer said: Is HE really the last manager to beat the blades? That's crazy You do know we have only played 4 times since ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, dorian gray said: it is IF you're the one NOT paying for it, but when you're stumping the bill (and don't have time for childish thoughts) then FAILURE IS FAILURE. 2 best league finishes in 20 years, what did that win? and how much did it cost? league cup quarter finals, what did that win? and how much did it cost? 43% win percentage, what did the club win in that, or those seasons? and how much did it cost? i'll help you here, it won **** all, and cost the clubs entire transfer kitty, for those seasons, and some still to come. it MAY cost an AWFUL LOT MORE YET....RELEGATION. money spent, club in dire financial trouble, threat of serious sanctions hanging over the club, aged squad, a squad left lacking in anything other than the charlatans one Thanksidea of play. he was a proper dumpling, but he had, and has you fooled. look how many other clubs are fighting over the signature of your hero. congratulations on your appointment to the cocoettes. I’m aware we didn’t get promoted - not every team in the division can get promoted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, ka58 said: I’m aware we didn’t get promoted - not every team in the division can get promoted though. the ones spending everything they've got ought to be, OR ELSE they'll end up where we are after coco's departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, dorian gray said: the ones spending everything they've got ought to be, OR ELSE they'll end up where we are after coco's departure. ideally but that could be said about any number of teams in the division at any one time. we are where we are currently due to a disastrous appointment by the chairman following Carvalhals departure and the fall out from the chairman’s unwillingness to allow players to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, ka58 said: ideally but that could be said about any number of teams in the division at any one time. we are where we are currently due to a disastrous appointment by the chairman following Carvalhals departure and the fall out from the chairman’s unwillingness to allow players to move on. HOLD ON, jos took over coco's mess that was taking us to the very serious edge of relegation, and IMPROVED RESULTS. the pigs were looking to give us a real hiding at the lane to follow on from the hillsborough disgrace, but JOS scuppered their party plan, and turned us safely up the table, and championship survival. how come you never explained why it wasn't your hero's fault for the 'no show' at wembley v. 'ull?, why it wasn't his fault we didn't attack 'uddersfield in 180 minutes plus?, why we were torn apart by the pigs?, why pig fans wanted coco to stay at hillsborough? why the players were injured and unfit? why the training was at amateur levels? why other clubs aren't after him if he's so good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 23 hours ago, DJMortimer said: The imbalanced, crippled, bankrupting team (for which we are still paying) that he had put together had taken 15 points from it's previous 16 games and we had slumped to 8 points above the bottom three by the time he scuttled off and left us to it whilst helping Swansea to secure their relegation. Luhukay, for all his faults, saved us from the drop. Not only do I suspect Carvalhal wouldn't have, it seems he wasn't even interested in trying to. he was somewhat up his own ****, perhaps took his eye off the ball looking for transplantable hair in the mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, dorian gray said: HOLD ON, jos took over coco's mess that was taking us to the very serious edge of relegation, and IMPROVED RESULTS. the pigs were looking to give us a real hiding at the lane to follow on from the hillsborough disgrace, but JOS scuppered their party plan, and turned us safely up the table, and championship survival. how come you never explained why it wasn't your hero's fault for the 'no show' at wembley v. 'ull?, why it wasn't his fault we didn't attack 'uddersfield in 180 minutes plus?, why we were torn apart by the pigs?, why pig fans wanted coco to stay at hillsborough? why the players were injured and unfit? why the training was at amateur levels? why other clubs aren't after him if he's so good? I think your views are a bit clouded by a weird hate of a manager who achieved consecutive top 6 finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 30/12/2019 at 15:37, Beighton Owl 87 said: Stuart Gray - brought in Westwood, Lees and Hutchinson all on free transfers. Went from struggling to comfortable mid table with a shoestring budget. Agreed. Going on results against money spent, its Gray hands down. Carlos spent more money on one player than all the other manager’s transfer fees combined since leaving the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, ka58 said: I think your views are a bit clouded by a weird hate of a manager who achieved consecutive top 6 finishes. 1. Those finishes came at a massive cost which we’re paying for handsomely now. 2. He left us in a much worse position than when he took over. He oversaw an obscene amount of money spent on transfers and wages which we clearly couldn’t afford. Should haves would haves could haves aside, the net benefit of Carlos was less than zero. We’re still to find out what the ultimate price of his era will cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, pussface said: 1. Those finishes came at a massive cost which we’re paying for handsomely now. 2. He left us in a much worse position than when he took over. He oversaw an obscene amount of money spent on transfers and wages which we clearly couldn’t afford. Should haves would haves could haves aside, the net benefit of Carlos was less than zero. We’re still to find out what the ultimate price of his era will cost us. that’s just what happens when you spend a lot of money chasing promotion and don’t achieve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, ka58 said: that’s just what happens when you spend a lot of money chasing promotion and don’t achieve it. Our feeble surrender in the play-offs against Huddersfield isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pussface Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, ka58 said: that’s just what happens when you spend a lot of money chasing promotion and don’t achieve it. Yes I mean it isn’t as if other teams at the time didn’t already prove the folly of this strategy, or indeed others achieving promotion without the need to sell the roof whilst it’s raining.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaykz Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 If you exclude Bruce due to him only being at the club a few months, the manager of the decade is Stuart Gray by an absolute mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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