Manager of the Decade

[legendaryswan]

Stuart Gray,easy choice,left the club better off than he found it,operated on a shoestring,got results from the training ground,utilised what he had to its best affect,we wouldnt have our head in a noose like we have now if hed stayed here.Our loss in a huge way

 

[bobness]

3 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Think he wanted out to go to Swansea

 

Exactly! Who here wouldn't jump at the opportunity to manage their boyhood club?

 

[matthefish2002]

Think Carlos Carvahaul was the best and worst manager this decade.

[dorian gray]

23 hours ago, Andrew_Owl said:

1st Carlos Carvalhal

2nd Stuart Gray

3rd Steve Bruce

4th Garry Monk

5th Gary Megson

6th Dave Jones

7th Lee Bullen

8th Alan Irvine

9th Jos Luhukay

1st. bruce

2nd. gray.

3rd. monk

[Roy Of The Roasters]

Tough one to call.

 

Pound for pound, I'd say Bruce. I know he wasn't here long, but he was doing all the right things. he is (or was) hugely experienced with a clear track record of achievement at our level. He fixed a lot of the damage done under his predecessors. He recognised that you achieve on-field success by building on solid off-field foundations. He improved recruitment and made key appointments in the back room staff to look at things like coaching and fitness.

 

Honourable mentions for Dave Jones and Stuart Gray. Jones went off the boil very quickly, but he achieved our most recent promotion when it looked unlikely. And the fact that we did so by displacing our 'mind the gap' neighbours is doubly sweet. Gray was hugely underrated. I'm not sure how much further he could have taken us, but he did an absolute sterling job of making us a half decent team on limited resources. I still wonder what would have happened if DC had given him a fraction of the resources made available to his successor. Which brings me onto........

 

.....I struggle to understand the devotion in which some people hold Carlos Carvalhal. The man is a charlatan. Yes, he got us to two successive play-offs. But with the budget he was given that was the very least that we should have expected. For me, one of the hallmarks of a good manager is whether they can take a team forward; after one good season, Carlos started taking us backwards. Failure by a small margin is forgivable if you look at what went wrong, take steps to fix it, and do better next time; Carlos showed absolutely no sign that he understood the improvements that were needed to finish the job after his first play-off failure, and from that point onwards the rot set in. Simple question - did he leave us in a better place then when he arrived? Absolutely 100% not. Given the resources and backing at his disposal, that makes him a poor manager in my eyes, not a good one.

[SallyCinnamon]

Steve Bruce. Here a short time but brought in a recruitment team that was so desperately needed, signings he made on a budget have been better than players we paid big money for, brought Tony Strudwick to the club and the improved fitness of the squad is clear for all to see.

 

A proper manager and it’s a real shame he went when he did. 
 

After him it would be Stuart Gray. Had nothing to work with at all, stopped the slide to relegation under DJ and left the club in a great position to kick on. Signed players like Lees, Hutch, Westwood and Lee for nowt and all have been the spine of the squad for years now. And some are still key players.

 

Carlos got us the closest, but the past two seasons of struggle and suffering were all down to him. Left us in a very poor place, and we are still sorting out that mess now. I don’t know how much input he had with transfers, and I don’t think that side of things is all on him. But we wasted a lot of money and that is the reason we are in trouble with the EFL. His tenure could set us back years. It’s already set us back two. 

[SiJ]

It probably should be Carlos...but the aftermath of his time here caused more damage than good. 

 

 

[dorian gray]

On 30/12/2019 at 09:18, Mr Hooper said:

Carlos, by a long shot.

 

Gave us the best football, best signings and best memories. Atmosphere during that first season was electric. Used to look forward to every match. 

NOW I see why you want monk out, you have a taste for shyte.

lets look at your hero's record...

first year takes over stuart grays very solid side that has just bloodied the noses of the two championship contenders on their own patch as a send off from the division, the ref has to blow the final whistle as we'd about to finish watford off as he allows them to escape with a draw.

your hero adds some lightweight, small players as midfield and attacking elements, ball players all it seems, but lacking electric pace (of course money is, has, and will be spent).

results do improve, we make the play off's, knock out the favourites, and totally fail to turn up for the final, now I and others have said old coke froze for this one, bottled it even, but that is unfair. he hasn't the personnel needed in certain area's to beat bruce's side, he's bought badly.

along comes season two, the 'sexy' football diminishes somewhat (as yet we haven't sussed why) further spending has been done in the closed season window, but glaring failings haven't been addressed.

as the side gets into the next window heavy spending continues (at this point your hero has had more money than quite possibly any 3 previous wednesday managers put together), but still the shortcomings haven't been covered effectively. the sides tiptap approach isn't looking as surefire as it did in the first season, injuries and lack of fitness are showing, but the side once again makes the play off's.

the GREAT NEWS at this point is the others in the play off's are all shyte, we have 'uddersfield who can't hit a cow's arse with a  banjo in attack, and then manage not to attack them in return, NOW THIS IS 'BOTTLING'.

the following season it all falls apart, injuries, unfit players, (I personally think the players sussed him out), but as we cascade towards possible relegation, and a shameful leathering on home soil by the pigs, your hero sees an opening at a club he's (allegedly)  supported from boyhood, and is gone in a flash.

in steps a bloke many would consider amongst the worst wednesday managers ever, blunts the pigs at the lane, and stops the side being open arsed, the season is saved. but what of your hero at his boyhood truelove you may ask?

sadly for him, despite a promising opening, the club has a bullshitomiter, and he's up the road (AGAIN) in a flash (even for him, something of a record).

he's now at a somewhat* (*i'm being kind here) nondescript club, touting himself to one and all in england, but no one is biting, I imagine you can't weigh it up, can you?

[dorian gray]

10 hours ago, legendaryswan said:

Stuart Gray,easy choice,left the club better off than he found it,operated on a shoestring,got results from the training ground,utilised what he had to its best affect,we wouldnt have our head in a noose like we have now if hed stayed here.Our loss in a huge way

 

total own goal, of the biggest ever seen.

I bet you haven't to mention his name when dc is around.

fullback, c/b, engine for m/f, fast skilful wingman, 2 proper strikers...best side in division.

[Guest ka58]

3 hours ago, dorian gray said:

total own goal, of the biggest ever seen.

I bet you haven't to mention his name when dc is around.

fullback, c/b, engine for m/f, fast skilful wingman, 2 proper strikers...best side in division.

  

 

4 hours ago, dorian gray said:

NOW I see why you want monk out, you have a taste for shyte.

lets look at your hero's record...

first year takes over stuart grays very solid side that has just bloodied the noses of the two championship contenders on their own patch as a send off from the division, the ref has to blow the final whistle as we'd about to finish watford off as he allows them to escape with a draw.

your hero adds some lightweight, small players as midfield and attacking elements, ball players all it seems, but lacking electric pace (of course money is, has, and will be spent).

results do improve, we make the play off's, knock out the favourites, and totally fail to turn up for the final, now I and others have said old coke froze for this one, bottled it even, but that is unfair. he hasn't the personnel needed in certain area's to beat bruce's side, he's bought badly.

along comes season two, the 'sexy' football diminishes somewhat (as yet we haven't sussed why) further spending has been done in the closed season window, but glaring failings haven't been addressed.

as the side gets into the next window heavy spending continues (at this point your hero has had more money than quite possibly any 3 previous wednesday managers put together), but still the shortcomings haven't been covered effectively. the sides tiptap approach isn't looking as surefire as it did in the first season, injuries and lack of fitness are showing, but the side once again makes the play off's.

the GREAT NEWS at this point is the others in the play off's are all shyte, we have 'uddersfield who can't hit a cow's arse with a  banjo in attack, and then manage not to attack them in return, NOW THIS IS 'BOTTLING'.

the following season it all falls apart, injuries, unfit players, (I personally think the players sussed him out), but as we cascade towards possible relegation, and a shameful leathering on home soil by the pigs, your hero sees an opening at a club he's (allegedly)  supported from boyhood, and is gone in a flash.

in steps a bloke many would consider amongst the worst wednesday managers ever, blunts the pigs at the lane, and stops the side being open arsed, the season is saved. but what of your hero at his boyhood truelove you may ask?

sadly for him, despite a promising opening, the club has a bullshitomiter, and he's up the road (AGAIN) in a flash (even for him, something of a record).

he's now at a somewhat* (*i'm being kind here) nondescript club, touting himself to one and all in england, but no one is biting, I imagine you can't weigh it up, can you?

finished 6th then 4th in only two full seasons, got to QF of league cup.

had his faults - certainly shouldn’t be seen as a failure.

if we had kept him - instead of getting luhukay - we wouldn’t have had the awful subsequent two seasons we did have.

 

 

[MrEdwards]

Stuart Gray

[DJMortimer]

7 minutes ago, ka58 said:

if we had kept him - instead of getting luhukay - we wouldn’t have had the awful subsequent two seasons we did have.

 

The imbalanced, crippled, bankrupting team (for which we are still paying) that he had put together had taken 15 points from it's previous 16 games and we had slumped to 8 points above the bottom three by the time he scuttled off and left us to it whilst helping Swansea to secure their relegation.

 

Luhukay, for all his faults, saved us from the drop. Not only do I suspect Carvalhal wouldn't have, it seems he wasn't even interested in trying to.

 

 

[dorian gray]

1 hour ago, ka58 said:

  

 

finished 6th then 4th in only two full seasons, got to QF of league cup.

had his faults - certainly shouldn’t be seen as a failure.

if we had kept him - instead of getting luhukay - we wouldn’t have had the awful subsequent two seasons we did have.

 

 

WOW! drinking already? and so much too.

we'd have gone down had he stayed, he couldn't stay, the money was gone, his squad was crippled, and unfit, and weren't listening anymore to his bullsh*t.

 

luhukay (as badly as he is judged) IMPROVED on the nosedive we were in thanks to YOUR HERO.

coco left with the trophy cabinet mirroring the bank balance, BOTH WERE EMPTY.

as for your last line, do you think we'd have done well in the third then?

[sherlyegg]

Tried to get on mastermind, specialised subject; sheff wed greatest managers 2010- 2020.

Researcher said, can only find 2 questions...so bolllloxe find another subject. So i then chose owlstalk best threads....researcher said..ok i'll have another look at the manager thingie...

[WalthamOwl]

Carlos (First 2 seasons) and Bruce. Still wish this whole Newcastle crap never happened with Bruce. 

[Guest ka58]

18 hours ago, dorian gray said:

WOW! drinking already? and so much too.

we'd have gone down had he stayed, he couldn't stay, the money was gone, his squad was crippled, and unfit, and weren't listening anymore to his bullsh*t.

 

luhukay (as badly as he is judged) IMPROVED on the nosedive we were in thanks to YOUR HERO.

coco left with the trophy cabinet mirroring the bank balance, BOTH WERE EMPTY.

as for your last line, do you think we'd have done well in the third then?

He’s not my hero.

 

youre a bit over emotional about a manager that gave us our best league finishes in 20 years in two consecutive seasons like.

 

anyway - opinions.

[Guest Ferkorf]

Stuart Gray

Did well with absolutely nothing at his disposal and I would have liked him to have been given a chance to build his own team with the backing of Chansiri.

Runner up is Carlos.

Just for his first season when it was actually decent football and a pleasure to watch

[Guest Ferkorf]

18 hours ago, sherlyegg said:

Tried to get on mastermind, specialised subject; sheff wed greatest managers 2010- 2020.

Researcher said, can only find 2 questions...so bolllloxe find another subject. So i then chose owlstalk best threads....researcher said..ok i'll have another look at the manager thingie...

Get an owlstalk 'Thread of the decade thread' started

Got to be the Gary Rowett Lump on thread by Dotty

Or was the Terry Henfleet one this decade?

[dorian gray]

15 minutes ago, ka58 said:

He’s not my hero.

 

youre a bit over emotional about a manager that gave us our best league finishes in 20 years in two consecutive seasons like.

 

anyway - opinions.

trophy cabinet and bank balance BOTH EMPTY.

an aging, unfit, and injured squad not capable of playing any sort of pressing game, and being shut down in it's 'tiptap' approach.

opinions, YES, those who know better, and those still duped by the bullshitter.

[Guest ka58]

Tip tapping our way to consecutive play off finishes - yes I remember.