John O'Brien Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, edinburghowl said: SPFL and sensible are not what I would expect in the same sentence. They’ve made a complete cheeky monkey of the entire situation It was on the table to save Hearts with temporary reconstruction but for the life of me i don’t know why it never went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Neil Doncaster: Hearts legal action would see 41 other SPFL clubs suffer Chief executive says there are no cash reserves at Hampden Neil Doncaster today told Hearts that any legal action against the Scottish Professional Football League would lead to clubs suffering financially. The Tynecastle side are considering litigation after being relegated to the Championship following the coronavirus outbreak. Owner Ann Budge expects her club to lose up to £3million a season in the second tier, but SPFL chief executive Doncaster said a legal battle would be detrimental to the other 41 teams across the four divisions. Although stressing Hearts would be within their rights to take any action they see fit, Doncaster explained that there is no pot of cash which could be used by the SPFL. Instead, other clubs would be impacted. "It's really important that any club makes its own decisions because they are an independent business," Doncaster told Sky Sports. "Although they are one of 42 member clubs within the league, each club – and the board of each club – has to do what's right for their club. "But any action that's taken by any member against the league ultimately is taken against members as a whole. "We don't hold reserves year to year, so any action that any one individual club takes, effectively the burden of that would fall on all the other members." The Hearts owner Ann Budge is working on a proposal for league reconstruction aimed at expanding the Premiership. That would prevent her club dropping down a division and this avoid any possible legal case. However, any change to the SPFL set-up is likely to need 11 of 12 top-flight teams to approve it via a vote, plus 75 per cent of those in divisions below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Does Doncaster honestly think we will care about that? After the way we have been shat on and how most clubs voted? fizz the lot of them. Your problem daft cheeky monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Ahh, the old divide and conquer tactic The league setting the scene as Hearts vs the rest of the clubs And the not so subtle warning that Hearts taking legal action will financially imperil the rest of the clubs Well the rest of the clubs ought to have thought about that before agreeing to the ludicrous way of ending the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John O'Brien Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, scram said: Ahh, the old divide and conquer tactic The league setting the scene as Hearts vs the rest of the clubs And the not so subtle warning that Hearts taking legal action will financially imperil the rest of the clubs Well the rest of the clubs ought to have thought about that before agreeing to the ludicrous way of ending the season Doncaster sounding like a Tory media spin doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 9 hours ago, edinburghowl said: SPFL and sensible are not what I would expect in the same sentence. They’ve made a complete cheeky monkey of the entire situation What do you think they should do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 9 hours ago, edinburghowl said: The Hearts owner Ann Budge is working on a proposal for league reconstruction aimed at expanding the Premiership. That would prevent her club dropping down a division and this avoid any possible legal case. No self-interest there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Scottish football returns? After 40 odd years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 19/05/2020 at 17:57, SiJ said: Yeah...Celtic were going to be champions. Best team still by a distance. To condemn others to relegation when Germany have just restarted and the EPL are in the process of restarting doesn't look great. Why were they so desperate to get the season wrapped up? Was it to do with finances or was this just club politics? Whole thing seems like a shambles though from the outside looking in. Have any clubs in other leagues ended early taken it like this? Its poo to go down but reconstructing the league isnt a mature solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John O'Brien Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Belfast Owl 2 said: Have any clubs in other leagues ended early taken it like this? Its poo to go down but reconstructing the league isnt a mature solution PSG in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 17 hours ago, rickygoo said: No self-interest there! Was it Bolton that wanted to ring fence the premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 17 hours ago, rickygoo said: No self-interest there! It’s not about self interest it’s about sporting integrity and doing the right thing which includes clubs in other leagues too. 4 separate clubs from 3 separate leagues are taking legal advice now. 22 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: What do you think they should do? The entire SPFL board should be removed and replaced. No golden handshakes. Appoint external board members with no connection to Scottish football to remove conflicts of interest. Main reasons for this are bad management; terrible communication; alleged corruption; coercion; threatening behaviour towards member clubs; the farcical vote; breaking rules in place which were agreed by the SFA, SHFL and SLFL; failing to act in the best interests of Scottish football and its member clubs; and for looking like starting next season whilst having no title sponsor in place. Seriously what the fizz value add do the current lot bring? The voting structure for all decisions made by the top flight should be changed from the ridiculous and undemocratic 11-1 structure in place now to a simple majority. Rip up the Sky contract and tell them to get fizzed. A new board should to be tasked with negotiating better terms and without the broadcasters holding the power and sway over the league and its formats like Sky have now. Reconstruct the leagues so that no club loses out by being demoted or expelled from their league due to coronavirus. Reduce the number of leagues from 4 to 3 in a 14-14-16 format with Kelty Hearts and Brora both promoted to League 1 from the Highland and Lowland Leagues. Hearts keep their place in the Premier League and are joined by Dundee United and Inverness. Partick Thistle instead of being expelled to League 1 maintain their place in the Championship and the top 6 from League 1 are promoted to the Championship. Meaning the clubs that missed out on promotion via the playoffs in League 1 also don’t lose out. Job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Or alternatively you could sit on your hoop and do nothing, don’t pass go, continue collecting your near £350k salary for doing fuckall, not face any ramifications for your shambolic handling of the process and for not attaining a league sponsor, and then threaten Hearts by saying that legal action will damage all the league’s clubs when there is a clear and perfectly reasonable alternative in place where nobody loses. The new format even fits in the 4x Rangers v Celtic fixtures for the TV cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 46 minutes ago, edinburghowl said: It’s not about self interest it’s about sporting integrity and doing the right thing which includes clubs in other leagues too. 4 separate clubs from 3 separate leagues are taking legal advice now. The entire SPFL board should be removed and replaced. No golden handshakes. Appoint external board members with no connection to Scottish football to remove conflicts of interest. Main reasons for this are bad management; terrible communication; alleged corruption; coercion; threatening behaviour towards member clubs; the farcical vote; breaking rules in place which were agreed by the SFA, SHFL and SLFL; failing to act in the best interests of Scottish football and its member clubs; and for looking like starting next season whilst having no title sponsor in place. Seriously what the fizz value add do the current lot bring? The voting structure for all decisions made by the top flight should be changed from the ridiculous and undemocratic 11-1 structure in place now to a simple majority. Rip up the Sky contract and tell them to get fizzed. A new board should to be tasked with negotiating better terms and without the broadcasters holding the power and sway over the league and its formats like Sky have now. Reconstruct the leagues so that no club loses out by being demoted or expelled from their league due to coronavirus. Reduce the number of leagues from 4 to 3 in a 14-14-16 format with Kelty Hearts and Brora both promoted to League 1 from the Highland and Lowland Leagues. Hearts keep their place in the Premier League and are joined by Dundee United and Inverness. Partick Thistle instead of being expelled to League 1 maintain their place in the Championship and the top 6 from League 1 are promoted to the Championship. Meaning the clubs that missed out on promotion via the playoffs in League 1 also don’t lose out. Job done Sack of all of those little clubs and set up an 'atlantic league' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Sack of all of those little clubs and set up an 'atlantic league' And who do you propose joins an Atlantic League? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, edinburghowl said: It’s not about self interest it’s about sporting integrity and doing the right thing which includes clubs in other leagues too. 4 separate clubs from 3 separate leagues are taking legal advice now. The entire SPFL board should be removed and replaced. No golden handshakes. Appoint external board members with no connection to Scottish football to remove conflicts of interest. Main reasons for this are bad management; terrible communication; alleged corruption; coercion; threatening behaviour towards member clubs; the farcical vote; breaking rules in place which were agreed by the SFA, SHFL and SLFL; failing to act in the best interests of Scottish football and its member clubs; and for looking like starting next season whilst having no title sponsor in place. Seriously what the fizz value add do the current lot bring? The voting structure for all decisions made by the top flight should be changed from the ridiculous and undemocratic 11-1 structure in place now to a simple majority. Rip up the Sky contract and tell them to get fizzed. A new board should to be tasked with negotiating better terms and without the broadcasters holding the power and sway over the league and its formats like Sky have now. Reconstruct the leagues so that no club loses out by being demoted or expelled from their league due to coronavirus. Reduce the number of leagues from 4 to 3 in a 14-14-16 format with Kelty Hearts and Brora both promoted to League 1 from the Highland and Lowland Leagues. Hearts keep their place in the Premier League and are joined by Dundee United and Inverness. Partick Thistle instead of being expelled to League 1 maintain their place in the Championship and the top 6 from League 1 are promoted to the Championship. Meaning the clubs that missed out on promotion via the playoffs in League 1 also don’t lose out. Job done Was any of this discussed and proposed pre corona virus? Would you have wanted this if Hearts hadnt found themselves bottom? Noble fighting for other teams but it screams self interest Looks like promotion and relegation has been kept in other leagues that had their seasons ended 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, edinburghowl said: And who do you propose joins an Atlantic League? In the top division you would have Celtic, rangers, Motherwell, Aberdeen, Hibs, djurgardens, Copenhagen, molde/Rosenberg, bruge, gent, Antwerp, Anderlecht, charleoi, Ajax, Alkmaar, feyenoord, psv, Utrecht, maybe an Irish team or Baltic team? Dunno if the Portuguese teams might be interested too in which case you would obviously have their big 3 in there 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John O'Brien Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellis Rimmer said: In the top division you would have Celtic, rangers, Motherwell, Aberdeen, Hibs, djurgardens, Copenhagen, molde/Rosenberg, bruge, gent, Antwerp, Anderlecht, charleoi, Ajax, Alkmaar, feyenoord, psv, Utrecht, maybe an Irish team or Baltic team? Dunno if the Portuguese teams might be interested too in which case you would obviously have their big 3 in there It’s been mooted, but wait until we get 10 in a row first then talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John O'Brien Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Tbh there are far far too many teams in the Scottish lower divisions, we could certainly lose a league and there are a few that could merge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachyderm Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 15 hours ago, John O'Brien said: Tbh there are far far too many teams in the Scottish lower divisions, we could certainly lose a league and there are a few that could merge. I like the 3 leagues with 14 teams each option... But I do believe that would make promotion even more difficult... sounds crazy when I type it out loud but there it is... i.e. the same teams would keep going back and forth/up and down while the other "same teams" wouldn't never get a whiff of going up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now