@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, parkfieldowl14 said: Newcastle in 2016/17 season are one example but i can name two or three teams that have had Parachute Payments that haven't. Hull,Norwich,Blackpool Exactly Everyone freaking out about parachute payments mean clubs bounce straight back need to go check the facts first Simply isn't happening as much as people may think Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: I think people are freaking out about parachute payments whilst at the same time having absolutely no knowledge of the true situation Before ranting anymore in this thread go have a look how many teams per season are promoted back to the Premier League the season after being relegated down to the Championship Clue - it's simply not the case that those recieving parachute payments just use the money and get promoted again Disagree. Parachute payments of £40m per season, we get £39m over 3 seasons. How is that fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, pgmetcalf said: Disagree. Parachute payments of £40m per season, we get £39m over 3 seasons. How is that fair? You just made an entirely completely different point that's totally irrelevant to the point you disgreed with Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUMBELOWS91 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 who pays the parachute payments? The Premier League. Who do they work for? The Premier League. Who don't they work for? 9/10 clubs with realistic promotion ambitions in The Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: You just made an entirely completely different point that's totally irrelevant to the point you disgreed with Well it's the whole parachute payments scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts Owl Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 4 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Let’s say parachute payments were scrapped starting now lets imagine (bear with me and go with this) that we amazingly start smashing goals in and winning games this season and end up promoted all that would happen to us (and any other promoted sides) is that they’d not sigjn anyone or give increased wages etc (meaning our top players would leave) because if we got relegated as would have an immediate FFP crisis and/or bankruptcy scrapping parachute payments isn’t as straight forward as we might think it is Look at when we got relegated from the premier league last time and had all those big contracts and players we couldn’t shift Agree with you mate but.........we need a system where relegated clubs can't use this money to strentghen there already star studded side. Yes they still have to pay prem wages but withh FFP it is very difficult for other teams to compete on a level playing field. Not sure what the answer is but they have in effect created a 2 tier Championship league. As you say it is not straight forward but meither is it fair or just to other sides, yes, people will say if it was us I would be different but in all honesty I wouldn't. They are getting rewarded for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, pgmetcalf said: Well it's the whole parachute payments scenario But it's not getting teams who get parachute payments promoted so I am struggling to understand why you're still trying to suggest they're evil Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, parkfieldowl14 said: Newcastle in 2016/17 season are one example but i can name two or three teams that have had Parachute Payments that haven't. Hull,Norwich,Blackpool Hull and Blackpool aren't good examples, their chairmen fell out with the fans and refused to spend any money, and I think Norwich had built up a fair bit of debt by the time of their last relegation (may be wrong?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, Zlin Owl said: Agree with you mate but.........we need a system where relegated clubs can't use this money to strentghen there already star studded side. Yes they still have to pay prem wages but withh FFP it is very difficult for other teams to compete on a level playing field. Not sure what the answer is but they have in effect created a 2 tier Championship league. As you say it is not straight forward but meither is it fair or just to other sides, yes, people will say if it was us I would be different but in all honesty I wouldn't. They are getting rewarded for failure. But not getting promoted so what difference does it make really? Think everyone's had the wool pulled over their eyes by whoever freaked out about this first and it's gained momentum Teams getting parachute payments don't just bounce straight back to the Premier League otherwise we'd know the promoted teams before the start of the season The sooner people realise the parachute payment argument is a total red herring shouted about by people on the internet the better Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, פɹᴉɯqɐɹᴉɐu said: Hull and Blackpool aren't good examples, their chairmen fell out with the fans and refused to spend any money, and I think Norwich had built up a fair bit of debt by the time of their last relegation (may be wrong?). Still had parachute money though right? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkfieldowl14 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, פɹᴉɯqɐɹᴉɐu said: Hull and Blackpool aren't good examples, their chairmen fell out with the fans and refused to spend any money, and I think Norwich had built up a fair bit of debt by the time of their last relegation (may be wrong?). What about our porcine friends at the Bay of Pigs in 2007 then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: But it's not getting teams who get parachute payments promoted so I am struggling to understand why you're still trying to suggest they're evil Is it not? What's the parentage of teams yo-yoing the top 2 leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, pgmetcalf said: Is it not? What's the parentage of teams yo-yoing the top 2 leagues? You tell me- you're the one crying that the parachute payments are evil - so tell us the stats and let's see Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts Owl Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, @owlstalk said: But not getting promoted so what difference does it make really? Think everyone's had the wool pulled over their eyes by whoever freaked out about this first and it's gained momentum Teams getting parachute payments don't just bounce straight back to the Premier League otherwise we'd know the promoted teams before the start of the season The sooner people realise the parachute payment argument is a total red herring shouted about by people on the internet the better The point is, without appearing tobe pedantic is the creation of a 2 tier system. I agree they don't all bounce straight back but they also are in a position to pay the types of wages and transfer fees most can only dream of outside the Prem. It's a middle finger to the FFP system IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, @owlstalk said: You tell me- you're the one crying that the parachute payments are evil - so tell us the stats and let's see I don't know, that's why I'm asking you but I suspect there's a strong correlation between p payments and promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: But not getting promoted so what difference does it make really? The difference it makes is they get their house in order for free, whereas we and others get punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Agree regarding parachute payments, but then let owners invest the same amount as parachute payments each season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, Zlin Owl said: I agree they don't all bounce straight back but they also are in a position to pay the types of wages and transfer fees most can only dream of outside the Prem. But what's the point paying those wages if you don't get promoted? Look at us for an example there Parachute Payments dont' get clubs promoted. It's just not really happening to the extent that people are worrying about it. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, pgmetcalf said: I don't know, that's why I'm asking you but I suspect there's a strong correlation between p payments and promotion. Look it up It might surprise you Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, jonnyowl said: Agree regarding parachute payments, but then let owners invest the same amount as parachute payments each season! If parachute payments dont' get you promoted what is the point of letting owners spend that much to equate to it to still not get promoted and at the same time risk their club existing after spendageddon? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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