Paul.. Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Still had parachute money though right? Yes but the parachute money was irrelevant to them not going up, they would just have fallen further without it, although Blackpool's fall was pretty severe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, Lawrie Madden said: Did Newcastle spend £112m getting straight back up ? published figures by the way Was £35m of that not parachute payment ? Or was it all down to that well known philanthropist Mike Ashley ? Jesus Ok let's try it ANOTHER way QUESTION - How many clubs have received parachute payments since they came into being? QUESTION 2 - How many of those receiving parachute payments have bounced back to the Premier League? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, Lawrie Madden said: The current deal has only been running a season give it time I'm not the one worrying about it mate Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, sherlyegg said: Wow, I never said that mate ..you did. Whatever, its fundamentally bent How is it if it doesn't lead to promotion for those who recieve it? Someone help me out here This is utter madness now ha ha ha Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Another fact for you - One in ten Championship clubs with parachute payments were relegated to League 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamakua Pueo Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 If the problem that relegation payments are trying to solve is handling the out-sized contracts that relegated teams are frequently saddled with, can't the money currently given to relegated clubs be assigned instead to a kind of insurance pool that takes contracts off the hands of relegated clubs? In other words, the relegated clubs can walk away from contracts they cant afford, within specified limits, but the players' wages are guaranteed out of the relegation fund pool. Then an entity is created to mitigate the losses by reselling the contracts to other teams, with a wage subsidy from the relegation pool. The buying club gets the player not the relegated club, so the player still gets the promised wages. Frequently the problem for relegated clubs is that their playing staff are over-priced older or injured players, and no other club with take the player off their hands, Wednesday currently knows a thing or two about that situation, even without suffering relegation. A relegation "insurance" scheme would address that problem, but without giving a pool of money to the relegated club to rearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: How is it if it doesn't lead to promotion for those who recieve it? Someone help me out here This is utter madness now ha ha ha Show me where I said it leads to promotion...oh and btw 100M is a new thing. I said it was unfair, we are foooked, them that come down are not Is that really so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: One in ten Championship clubs with parachute payments were relegated to League 1 foookin elll clutchin at straws now...9 out of 10 weren't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, sherlyegg said: foookin elll clutchin at straws now...9 out of 10 weren't EXACTLY Most clubs with parachute payments DON'T get promoted Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, sherlyegg said: I said it was unfair, we are foooked, them that come down are not We're not fooked because we havent' got parachute money tho Not at all When Chansiri came in he immediately made us totally debt free (those with parachute payments - are they debt free?) Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Jesus Ok let's try it ANOTHER way QUESTION - How many clubs have received parachute payments since they came into being? QUESTION 2 - How many of those receiving parachute payments have bounced back to the Premier League? question How many clubs have received parachute payments under the current deal ? question How many have bounced straight back ? I reckon 3 ( plus 3 the current season ) and 1 3 to1 chance of bouncing straight back is a significant advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hamakua Pueo said: If the problem that relegation payments are trying to solve is handling the out-sized contracts that relegated teams are frequently saddled with, can't the money currently given to relegated clubs be assigned instead to a kind of insurance pool that takes contracts off the hands of relegated clubs? Potentially yes But if clubs come down, get parachute payments and do other things with the money and don't get promoted then what's it really matter? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Here's three examples for you Middlesbrough, Hull City and Sunderland – the three relegated teams of the PL 2017-18 took home £40m in compensation for relegation. In fact, Sunderland made almost £100 million from TV revenue and merit payments. Middlesbrough got £102 million and Hull earned £104 million. All that advantage they've got over us eh Anyone wanna explain that to Sunderland fans as they play Burton Albion and Fleetwood Town this season? Anyone posting after this post that clubs get unfair advantage I swear I'm gonna throw poo at you Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamakua Pueo Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Potentially yes But if clubs come down, get parachute payments and do other things with the money and don't get promoted then what's it really matter? I want to see the statistics that have been asked for that show that there isn't a statistical advantage for the relegated clubs with the payments. Subjectively it seems that there is. Has someone worked it out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hamakua Pueo said: I want to see the statistics that have been asked for that show that there isn't a statistical advantage for the relegated clubs with the payments. Subjectively it seems that there is. Has someone worked it out yet? Teams that achieved immediate return to PL Crystal Palace 1992–93 Nottingham Forest 1992–93 Leicester 1994–95 Bolton 1995–96 Middlesbrough 1996–97 Nottingham Forest 1996–97 Charlton 1998–99 Manchester City 2000–01 Leicester 2001–02 West Brom 2002–03 Birmingham 2005–06 Sunderland 2005–06 Birmingham 2007–08 Newcastle 2008–09 West Brom 2008–09 West Ham 2010–11 QPR 2012–13 Norwich 2013–14 Hull 2014–15 Burnley 2014–15 Newcastle 2015–16 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamakua Pueo Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I count 21 clubs in that list. Clearly a large statistical advantage to the just relegated teams. Chance of promotion every year for the average Championship team is 1 in 8. In that list, closer to 1 in 3. Of course, it isn't necessarily attributable to relegation payments, as the advantage existed back in the 1990s as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Just now, Hamakua Pueo said: I count 21 clubs in that list. Clearly a large statistical advantage to the just relegated teams. Chance of promotion every year for the average Championship team is 1 in 8. In that list, closer to 1 in 3. Of course, it isn't necessarily attributable to relegation payments, as the advantage existed back in the 1990s as well. 21 teams out of how many relegated though? Plus of course you'd also expect recently relegated Premier League teams to have a far stronger squad so there's a real strength to their players regardless of parachute payments being awarded to them Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 ven if parachute payments were excluded, the clubs with the highest revenue would still have been the 3 relegated from the Premier League: #NUFC £49m, #NCFC £39m #AVFC £37m. Next highest are #LUFC £34m, ahead of promoted #BHAFC £29m and #DCFC £29m. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Stats from https://twitter.com/SwissRamble Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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