sweetsheri Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, @owlstalk said: No mate I never profess to be ITK or able to negotiate players contracts Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, @owlstalk said: You've undone yourself and your own argument there when you look at the likes of Urby Emanuelson, Jordan Rhodes and all the other contracts we've spaffed on the first teamers who haven't achieved. If Borukov was smashing 50 goals in, playing international football and had the goodwill of the fans then YES I most definitely WOULD give him a (well deserved) payrise Ex AC Milan, Roma and Ajax player, as well as Rhodes who was one of the most consistent championship scorers? Just because some senior players aren't necessarily showing their worth, that doesn't mean you should start throwing 10/20k a week at youngsters who *might* eventually make it, its ridiculous 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, Kanye West said: Ex AC Milan, Roma and Ajax player, as well as Rhodes who was one of the most consistent championship scorers? Just because some senior players aren't necessarily showing their worth, that doesn't mean you should start throwing 10/20k a week at youngsters who *might* eventually make it, its ridiculous Ok mate Carry on Ps how we doing this season? How's the accounts looking? How many of these big contract players are currently playing? I'll leave you to it Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I bet if Gazza had a son at Spurs they'd be developing him like crazy, and hanging onto him Same as if Everton or Man United had Wayne Rooney's lad etc etc It's massive potential to give your fans hope, a dream, a fairytale story and for your club and business side to make absolute shedloads of cash out of it along the way too Then have a look at the conversion rate of British National teams at U16, U18 & U21 levels it's not very encouraging; Conversely players like Vardy and Denis Law achieved against all the odds. So it's a mine field where Premiership/Old 1st Div sides are better placed to take the chance. For young George keep on developing and the riches will follow, why the need for the impatience he has done or proved nothing yet at league level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrodge Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I keep saying this but his name should have absolutely no impact on the situation I kind of get the feeling if he was called Tony Beswetherick people wouldn't be making as bigger deal as they are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, nevthelodgemoorowl said: Then have a look at the conversion rate of British National teams at U16, U18 & U21 levels it's not very encouraging; Conversely players like Vardy and Denis Law achieved against all the odds. So it's a mine field where Premiership/Old 1st Div sides are better placed to take the chance. For young George keep on developing and the riches will follow, why the need for the impatience he has done or proved nothing yet at league level. I don't think there's any real impatience I just think he's smashed 50+ goals in one season at every level he's been let loose on, against all ages, and has represented his country and then been voted in the team of the whole tournament too From that point I'd expect him to get a pay rise to recognise this and to continue his development Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I know he did And he's not lying either - it definitely IS the best we've ever offered a young player Doesn't mean it's anywhere near his market value/worth though Previous highest wage might have been £200 per week at that age I'm not so sure our Chairman is the best judge of which players to sign or not either The only problem with that is his market value/worth to a premiership club is different than that of a championship club in what each can afford to pay during player development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Ok mate Carry on Ps how we doing this season? How's the accounts looking? How many of these big contract players are currently playing? I'll leave you to it The whole thing with Hirst came about ages ago. Yet now because we're struggling we should throw whatever he wants at him to get him to play? If his surname weren't Hirst there wouldn't be half as many people ranting and raving about it 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, mrrodge said: I keep saying this but his name should have absolutely no impact on the situation I kind of get the feeling if he was called Tony Beswetherick people wouldn't be making as bigger deal as they are There is absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with having the name HIRST and having fans wanting to dream and hope and wish him to take this club to massive success in future through developing with us through to the first team and beyond It's the dream scenario Fans suggesting there's something wrong with our fans having some inspiration, dreams and hopes for a player need to reevaluate their opinions in my opinion Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, Kanye West said: If his surname weren't Hirst there wouldn't be half as many people ranting and raving about it 24/7 Weak argument - see my reply above Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Hirst - Shortly out of contract - Contract negotiations - nothing signed - frozen out Clare - Shortly out of contract - Contract negotiations - nothing signed - plays Maybe a trifle simplistic, but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guesswhosback Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Not needed we have Nuhiu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: I don't think there's any real impatience I just think he's smashed 50+ goals in one season at every level he's been let loose on, against all ages, and has represented his country and then been voted in the team of the whole tournament too From that point I'd expect him to get a pay rise to recognise this and to continue his development But wasn't it said that he had been offered the best junior contract that an Owls player had ever been offered ? If so I would suggest David or whoever taps up Tommy Craig to see what he was on back in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Weak argument - see my reply above Let's start giving kids 20k+ a week that wouldn't ever end badly would it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, nevthelodgemoorowl said: But wasn't it said that he had been offered the best junior contract that an Owls player had ever been offered ? Yeah 100% true BUT If the best junior contract of all time ever at SWFC was £60 a week it's hardly a valid claim really despite being true Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrodge Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: There is absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with having the name HIRST and having fans wanting to dream and hope and wish him to take this club to massive success in future through developing with us through to the first team and beyond It's the dream scenario Fans suggesting there's something wrong with our fans having some inspiration, dreams and hopes for a player need to reevaluate their opinions in my opinion I am not saying there is something wrong with having the dream of having Hirst on the back of your Wednesday shirt, but as said it was the best contract offered to a youth player and he is still unproven at professional level. In one thread you are criticizing the chairman for spunking money up the wall and in another you are implying we should have offered more to an unproven striker because his name is Hirst 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, Kanye West said: Let's start giving kids 20k+ a week that wouldn't ever end badly would it No you're right Let's give it to Urby Emanuelson and Gille De Bilde instead Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, mrrodge said: as said it was the best contract offered to a youth player and he is still unproven at professional level. Ah man Looks like absolutely everyone has fallen for this line that's been fed to them with no further thought to what that actually REALLY means Sad times Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjtowl1972 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Im sure Jos said a few weeks ago, that when George is match fit, he will be available to be involved with the first team. If so, what has changed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, cjtowl1972 said: Im sure Jos said a few weeks ago, that when George is match fit, he will be available to be involved with the first team. If so, what has changed ? We dont' know Out of the blue Jos has said that he's not allowed to select him due to a contract spat Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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