Key Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Whatahoot said: Just because he has speculated a lot of money ( I'm sure he is comfortable with the amount) does not mean he is not aiming to accumulate when he finally "weighs in" on his gamble. Or are you suggesting he is into us through the goodness of his heart ? Out of all the owners Wednesday have had (or any other club come to that) how many have made substantial returns on their investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 No ex Wednesday chairman has made money upon a sale. But then again, when have the financial rewards of TV monies been so staggeringly high ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Whatahoot said: Don't disagree Fred. I think you might have something in your last sentence too. She may be seen as a neutral,new broom,DC's face saver in the Hirst situation. Certainly should be one of her priorities. Looks to me like Bullen , in today's press conference , has just fired a bullet at DC over Hirsty disaster. Wants young , local players in first team. He's clearly opening up now P45 - or his estate agency - looms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striggy Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, Key said: So despite the lack of any evidence to back it up you think Mr C is a “financial opportunist”. This despite the millions he’s put into Wednesday and all the time he’s spent away from his home and family, you think it’s just an easy way for him to make a quick buck! No wonder Mr C got fed up of the unwarranted criticism and abuse! I wonder if he’s asked Milan Mandaric about the possibility of a refund cos this season isn’t going how he thought it would! "nobody told me there would be days like these!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest samowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Anlaby Owl said: Now this, I do agree with. I don't. Not far off. How far do you want to be off the top. Before admitting we're struggling. The height thing and the physicality issue was glaringly obvious at Wembley when Hulls midfield bullied us into submission. We lost height when Fletcher arrived. Never seen anyone mis time a jump as many times as him His chests like a trampoline. . DC having a plan and we don'tknow about it. ????? Appointing the Witch from Hell says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, fred mciver said: Looks to me like Bullen , in today's press conference , has just fired a bullet at DC over Hirsty disaster. Wants young , local players in first team. He's clearly opening up now P45 - or his estate agency - looms. Bullen knows his own personal game is over at Hillsborough after the Burton debacle. He is not the only one who wants younger players around the first team suad, if they are local, all the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anlaby Owl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 re the height thing, there's always going to be games where one team has a specialised set of players that do something particularly well. I remember one period when we were doing particularly well punting high balls up to lee chapman and we played a very average arsenal side but one that was good at defending in the air. We looked totally inadequate that game but got back to winning ways next time out..re the new ceo, I'm not going to comment until she has been given time. I prefer to judge people myself than read into what others say about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, Key said: Yes. If all he wanted was ‘financial gain’ there are a lot easier and more secure ways of achieving that. The alternatives don’t bring you unwarranted criticism and abuse either! Wow. Fair enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ante's Bubbly Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: 1. Just because we don’t know DC’s plan of action doesn’t mean he hasn’t got one. 2. We had a manager but some wouldn’t accept him 3. The players aren’t exactly old, it’s a myth that somebody pushed and is now a fact. The height thing wasn’t a problem when we were competing at the top of the table, same with the “age” thing. The character of our players is now a negative, wasn’t so long ago when folk were saying how our squad had bags of it. To summarise, we’re lacking in confidence. We weren’t that far off, the negativity is burrowing through this club and it will kill us if it’s not stopped. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop being so kneejerk. Together this club can prosper. Unfortunately as much as many of us canvassed for the all together thing, there were still too many constantly writing "open letters" to Carlos or DC asking for Carlos to leave, Owlstalk members constantly wanting yet another vote on whether or not he should go, because all the previous votes had been in his favour, more and more fans saying that although they had always supported him, he now had to go etc etc combine all that with the nasty tweets, booing, ugly banners etc and we started to get the really dismal results that this kind of behaviour deserves. Quite frankly if I was understaffed at work and started making the odd mistake while the people paying my wages were stood booing and constantly badmouthing me while in earshot, I would tell them all to F Off and go and work for somebody that would appreciate all that I do for them, without all the hassle and possibly getting paid more money while I do it. Good luck to Carlos, he was way too good for us, he made good and bad decisions, like we all do, but more good than bad, he was let down a little bit by some terrible player purchasing at times, he was let down by the very poor fitness of players at times and by the poor decisions of some terrible referees, but most of all he was let down by the so called fans, some of whom never fully bought into the dream although they were happy to sing about it on the run in to Wembley and even more of whom started sharpening knives to stick in his back as soon as they got back from it! I wish we could say goodbye to all of those glory hunters, because they are the only ones that will be knocking on DC's door asking for their money back and good riddance to all of them and their fickle support. The best kind of friends and supporters are those helping out when things get nasty, not just when everything is looking rosy. Together this club can prosper, but humble pie must be served up first and expectations need to be realised before all the good work becomes undone. UTO! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Suzuki_San said: Only 3 things wrong: No. Poxy. Manager. We've just got rid of one poxy manager, now you want another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Whatahoot said: Just because he has speculated a lot of money ( I'm sure he is comfortable with the amount) does not mean he is not aiming to accumulate when he finally "weighs in" on his gamble. Or are you suggesting he is into us through the goodness of his heart ? There aren't many fortunes to be made in football. Even getting us into the Premiership doesn't guarantee a big pay day. The best way to become a millionaire as a football club owner is to start as a billionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, prowl said: There aren't many fortunes to be made in football. Even getting us into the Premiership doesn't guarantee a big pay day. The best way to become a millionaire as a football club owner is to start as a billionaire. I would like to know the increase worth of Huddersfield since their promotion. Their Chairman appears to have spent much less than ours. I'm sure , if he chose to, he would make a tidy profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Whatahoot said: I would like to know the increase worth of Huddersfield since their promotion. Their Chairman appears to have spent much less than ours. I'm sure , if he chose to, he would make a tidy profit. They have done well but they are an exception. Many more lose money than make it. If any one makes money out of the football business it's players and agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, prowl said: They have done well but they are an exception. Many more lose money than make it. If any one makes money out of the football business it's players and agents. I would say the same about Burnley, Bournmouth, Brighton and Wolves (if they make it). Promotion adds millions to a club valuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East coast owl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Big Ron's Sovereign said: 1. Just because we don’t know DC’s plan of action doesn’t mean he hasn’t got one. 2. We had a manager but some wouldn’t accept him 3. The players aren’t exactly old, it’s a myth that somebody pushed and is now a fact. The height thing wasn’t a problem when we were competing at the top of the table, same with the “age” thing. The character of our players is now a negative, wasn’t so long ago when folk were saying how our squad had bags of it. To summarise, we’re lacking in confidence. We weren’t that far off, the negativity is burrowing through this club and it will kill us if it’s not stopped. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop being so kneejerk. Together this club can prosper. Spot on. And throw in a manager that jumped ship and left us in the crap. And the chairman in the crap. Hence why the delay in getting someone in. Everything the club is or isn’t doing, is getting a knee jerk reaction.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Whatahoot said: I would say the same about Burnley, Bournmouth, Brighton and Wolves (if they make it). Promotion adds millions to a club valuation. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1 I've no idea how accurate this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatahoot Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, prowl said: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1 I've no idea how accurate this is. I'm not sure what you have posted there, in terms of accuracy or taking into account marketing and media values.I don't think you can value a football club business in a conventional way ie Net Assets, or Net Worth or potential earnings etc, its more to do with what markets it can open up and what profile it can develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan48 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Most teams could cope with 1 or 2 out of a 1st team squad but we have 11 or 12 with problems , so I dont see how any team below Premiership could cope with that lot . C C s big ,big mistake was to bring in the experienced [ old ! ] players to make up the squad for training and the occasional appearance to cover injuries . They obviously cant hack it , aren't fit enough and I dont think they are that interested , given this is their last big gig . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Whatahoot said: 1) Our Chairman is, in footballing terms, naive. He appears to have been badly advised (including Doyen) and has now recruiting a questionable CEO, who comes with baggage so to speak.He appears to have no plan of action as to how to run his business or proper priorities to follow. He should be concentrating on putting a strong footballing side together, with a reasonable chance , in the near future, of getting promotion. He should be concentrating on getting a very good head coach/manager through the door.He appears to have given continuity or failure planning no heed whatsover.I'm not sure what his motivation was, when he purchased our club, but I am begining to think he saw an opportunity to make money and took it. I don't think that there is much sentiment attached to the situation.I don't think our Chairman is culturally attached to the city or our fans and does not fully appreciate the importance of the history of the club. 2) We have no Head Coach/Manager as I type. This needs addressing asap. Sheffield Wednesday have only really prospered under a high profile, genuine ,straight talking type, in the style of Harry Catterick, Ron Atkinson, Howard Wilkinson.The job requires a strong character and a wealth of footballing knowledge. Not an up and coming young coach, not a journeyman, not someone with an average win ratio in an average league somewhere.We need someone who recognises that phsicality (height included),youth,pace all play a part in building a team.Someone that recognises that he needs leaders all over the pitch if he is to get promoted. Someone who does not have favourites and over relies on them. Not someone who sees themselves as a "chum" of the team and can motivate all types within the squad.He should have joined up thinking when building his squad and not just buy for the sake of it. A person who recognises what style of play the Hillsborough faithful can get behind and relate to. 3) Our team/squad has major flaws in its make up and weaknesses in its overall cover.We have a general bias towards older players on high earings. We have no pacey and not enough younger players spread through our squad. We have many players of average (or less) height and physical stature than other teams in the championship. We have players who do not have consistancy of performance, strong desire or have poor leadership character.Many are over comfortable and under performing. We have too many players with long standing injury problems that keep re-occuring.Our squad is personality wise "frail" We do have some with good levels of skill, but that is nowhere near enough. We only have 3 problems....but what big problems they are.I can only hope that our new CEO is up to finding the right answers and not compound them. Good luck Sheffield Wednesday going into 2018 Stating the obvious Full of assumptions Arguing from ignorance (fallacy) Nothing more than opinion and conjecture Other than that an excellent post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Ability, attitude and fitness. Thats 3 for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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