Tea Baggins Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I'd like to see 2 come in and go to a back 3. A left footer is a must. Is Mulgrew worth a punt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I hope Hutchinson is seen purely as a defender next season. So that makes 3. Still need one more though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltby owl83 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I was impessed with Bruno Manga at Cardiff, when they came to Hillsborough, big, strong and very quick, bullied Fletcher all game. He is out of contract too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, Bodhidharma said: I hope Hutchinson is seen purely as a defender next season. So that makes 3. Still need one more though. Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 14 hours ago, gurujuan said: Just one of the errors I'm sure we'll put right this summer Got the impression we tried to sign a centre half last season but the ones we wanted weren't available/went elsewhere. An error would have been signing someone for the sake of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Got the impression we tried to sign a centre half last season but the ones we wanted weren't available/went elsewhere. An error would have been signing someone for the sake of it! Cough....Sasso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, gurujuan said: Cough....Sasso Free transfer for one season - the cheapest of cheap cover. He also wasn't as a risk as he'd filled in fine the season before. I'm talking about buying Hanley for £6m and £50k a week out of desperation. Sasso was excellent business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Free transfer for one season - the cheapest of cheap cover. He also wasn't as a risk as he'd filled in fine the season before. I'm talking about buying Hanley for £6m and £50k a week out of desperation. Sasso was excellent business. No, Sasso did what he was asked to do. However, he didn't address the areas of concern for which I presume we wanted Hanley. That aerial weakness went unaddressed, if not for the want of trying, maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, gurujuan said: No, Sasso did what he was asked to do. However, he didn't address the areas of concern for which I presume we wanted Hanley. That aerial weakness went unaddressed, if not for the want of trying, maybe So, if Sasso did what he asked to do and was a free transfer for a season, then that's good business, right? Perhaps no-one was available to address areas of concern (who's concerns were these BTW, yours or Carlos'?) and we decided not to just go and buy anyone given we had Lees, Loovens, Hutchinson and Sasso available to keep another impressive clean sheet haul for a third successive season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Hmmm, that is unlikely, surely Hanley wasn't the only player who could fill that role. They were definitely my concerns, whether they were Carlos's, I don't know. The fact that we were willing to pay over £4m for a centre back whose main attribute, is his aerial prowess, indicates that they probably were. That we still conceded a disproportionate amount of goals to headers in the six yard box, tells me failing to address the problem was costly Maybe the difference between play offs and automatics Edited May 30, 2017 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Hmmm, that is unlikely, surely Hanley wasn't the only player who could fill that role. They were definitely my concerns, whether they were Carlos's, I don't know. The fact that we were willing to pay over £4m for a centre back whose main attribute, is his aerial prowess, indicates that they probably were. That we still conceded a disproportionate amount of goals to headers in the six yard box, tells me failing to address the problem was costly Maybe the difference between play offs and automatics Who else would have filled that role and was available? We don't know. What we do now is if a player we want is available then we are usually pretty good at getting them. Sadly, not vs Newcastle and we can all understand why that is the case. The only reason for not buying a centre half of real quality in the summer, that seems obvious, is one wasn't available that Carlos wanted/could get. Headers in the 6 yard box are goalkeeper territory for me, so would a Hanley type have even helped in those situations? Relying on defenders to clear the ball 6 yards out if a bad situation to be in! Not sure our defence was the difference between play-offs and top 2 - I think that was simply down to our players having the shackles on too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Who else would have filled that role and was available? We don't know. What we do now is if a player we want is available then we are usually pretty good at getting them. Sadly, not vs Newcastle and we can all understand why that is the case. The only reason for not buying a centre half of real quality in the summer, that seems obvious, is one wasn't available that Carlos wanted/could get. Headers in the 6 yard box are goalkeeper territory for me, so would a Hanley type have even helped in those situations? Relying on defenders to clear the ball 6 yards out if a bad situation to be in! Not sure our defence was the difference between play-offs and top 2 - I think that was simply down to our players having the shackles on too much. No I'm not suggesting it was, however, once Carlos had decided this was the way we were going to play, keeping it tight, and trying to nick a goal, then goals conceded became very important. We didn't actually concede very many, so cutting out the main source of those that we did concede, could have been worth a lot of points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, gurujuan said: No I'm not suggesting it was, however, once Carlos had decided this was the way we were going to play, keeping it tight, and trying to nick a goal, then goals conceded became very important. We didn't actually concede very many, so cutting out the main source of those that we did concede, could have been worth a lot of points Interesting perspective. I think if we had signed a beast central defender then we'd have been a more attacking team, so the development from Carlos' first season would be improving defensively whilst scoring more goals - usually equals more points (worked to an extent I guess). He obviously knows the current defence has a certain vulnerability and I wonder if that's why we changed our style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 51 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Interesting perspective. I think if we had signed a beast central defender then we'd have been a more attacking team, so the development from Carlos' first season would be improving defensively whilst scoring more goals - usually equals more points (worked to an extent I guess). He obviously knows the current defence has a certain vulnerability and I wonder if that's why we changed our style? Hopefully he'll find the right balance at the third time of asking We're not far off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 We need a proper ball playing (not in that way ) centre half next season. If you want to play a possession based style then you need someone comfortable in possession. Rate both Lees and Loovens but neither are exactly comfortable when trying to start an attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, A12owl said: What we need is for Carlos to get his tactics right. Frighten the opposition with fast attacking football ( follow Tottenhams example) .We have all said that we have most of the players at the club for the attack. Need creativity and a direct midfielder and give him the job of feeding 2 goal hungry forwards . Will Carlos change the style? Hope DC reminded him of his requirement when he joined.Attacking exciting football. Tottenham have a sound defensive platform in midfield, and one striker. That platform allows the creative players to do what they do best. Because we don't have that platform, we compromise our attacking ambitions by giving our front players too many defensive duties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gableratchet Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) When at Chelsea, Hutchinson was being touted as the next John Terry so I would imagine he may be one of the centerbacks next season. I was always impressed when he played there last season, he read the game superbly AND hardly ever got booked. He's confident on the ball and can bring it out to play others in. If he isn't going to be used in this position and only as backup then a real beast of a defender should be signed (I quite like Harlee Dean at Brentford, don't think he would be too expensive) Edited May 30, 2017 by gableratchet spelling mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just get Kyle Bartley or Bruno Manga plus upgrade our full backs/wing backs with pace. Build from the back. Could do with a midfield beast too and a winger. Pace; height, creativity and power are what we lack and need to address. Sort those areas out and it could be our year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bexy1977 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 That Dean at Brentford looks solid for me, or a young Prem lad maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Is reda johnson free agent?? Big, strong, scores a few goals at the other end maybe an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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