frastheowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 -------------Westwood------------- ?????----Lees----Loovens---???? -------------Hutchinson------------- -----------Lee------Bannan--------- ??????---------------------Forestieri ------------Hooper/Rhodes---------- OR --------------Westwood---------------- ????-----Lees-----Hutchinson----???? Wallace---?????-----Lee/Bannan--???? -------------Hooper---Rhodes----------- Far easier to recruit for a 4-3-3 system next year, but a few strikers would need to leave. If we are to stick with a 4-4-2, we'll need far more players, but would perhaps need to get rid of only one striker. Decisions, decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Hutch without a doubt would be a starter Not in my team he wouldn't. Excellent footballer but as a CM plays too deep in a 442. And he's not good enough or key enough to "build a midfield " around. (Hate that expression). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ronnie Starling said: if we are lucky that team might scrape into the play offs. Not sure why. Apart from Reach for Pudil and FF for Reach, it's the shape and names at the base of six wins in six. I think it would score more than this season's 60 goals, concede no more than this season's 45, and lose less than this season's 13. And boy would it be more pleasurable to watch! Edited May 19, 2017 by Holmowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundhayowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, S36 OWL said: Hutch without a doubt would be a starter Next to Lees in his rightful position of centre half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Holmowl said: Not sure why. Apart from Reach for Pudil and FF for Reach, it's the shape and names at the base of six wins in six. I think it would score more than this season's 60 goals, concede no more than this season's 45, and lose less than this season's 13. And boy would it be more pleasurable to watch! Bannan and Lee in the middle? We will not get promotion with these two together as the last two seasons have shown. And Reach at left back? He can't tackle or head the ball and another that Carlos has spoilt. Edited May 19, 2017 by Ronnie Starling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trask43 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) It depends what our aim is if its automatic bigger decisions need to be taken around some popular players and the formation.I'd go something like this Westwood Hunt Lees New New New Bannan New Reach Hooper Fletcher For me Lee was really poor in both playoff games and would be one of the difficult decisions that need taking, he would get nowhere near the team at middlesborough ,newcastle ,Brighton, hull or Burnley. Forestieri needs to stay as an impact sub it doesn't really work with him in a two up front and he can only play wide left against poor teams at home. Reach is still a big doubt but he does a job out there and has scope to get better. Wallace is a fine squad player but hes getting older and we need genuine pace in the team somewhere and right wing is an easier place to do it than resigning our 5 mil man to the scrap heap, we should preserve at least next year. Hunt and lees improved last year and earned their place bannan was poor at times last season but is probably a little underated on here and was almost playing Huddersfield on his own in the second leg at times. Fletch and hooper could form a good partnership if they can both stay fit. The bench would hopefully look like this New Lee Hutch Winnall Rhodes Ff Wallace Loovens would still be good enough but not needed on the bench unless hutch was injured. We need a better number two and its time for the hound lads to get some proper game time elsewhere. Might be harsh on a few players who are obviously good enough for a play off challenge but to move to the next level we need better and would need better in the prem anyway so might as well start planning now. Edited May 19, 2017 by trask43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Westwood Hunt Lees Roberts (Barnsley) Reach McManaman Lee Baker (Chelsea) Foresteiri Hooper Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: Bannan and Lee in the middle? We will not get promotion with these two together as the last two seasons have shown. And Reach at left back? He can't tackle or head the ball and another that Carlos has spoilt. Genuinely, give me a handful of games where the Lee Bannan CM pairing failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, trask43 said: It depends what our aim is if its automatic bigger decisions need to be taken around some popular players and the formation.I'd go something like this Westwood Hunt Lees New New New Bannan New Reach Hooper Fletcher For me Lee was really poor in both playoff games and would be one of the difficult decisions that need taking, he would get nowhere near the team at middlesborough ,newcastle ,Brighton, hull or Burnley. Forestieri needs to stay as an impact sub it doesn't really work with him in a two up front and he can only play wide left against poor teams at home. Reach is still a big doubt but he does a job out there and has scope to get better. Wallace is a fine squad player but hes getting older and we need genuine pace in the team somewhere and right wing is an easier place to do it than resigning our 5 mil man to the scrap heap, we should preserve at least next year. Hunt and lees improved last year and earned their place bannan was poor at times last season but is probably a little underated on here and was almost playing Huddersfield on his own in the second leg at times. Fletch and hooper could form a good partnership if they can both stay fit. The bench would hopefully look like this New Lee Hutch Winnall Rhodes Ff Wallace Loovens would still be good enough but not needed on the bench unless hutch was injured. We need a better number two and its time for the hound lads to get some proper game time elsewhere. Might be harsh on a few players who are obviously good enough for a play off challenge but to move to the next level we need better and would need better in the prem anyway so might as well start planning now. Really good pst. But I wouldn't worry about the Prem. We need a side capable of getting out of our division. What happens after is a new world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Genuinely, give me a handful of games where the Lee Bannan CM pairing failed. Burton Birmingham away Leeds Ipswich home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest everydays_wednesday Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Pace needed please.....sadly lacking....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, everydays_wednesday said: Pace needed please.....sadly lacking....! Absolutely. This for me is the missing piece. We may need a commanding centre back and maybe full backs need a look but some pace in the channels is really critical. By extra time on Wed night udders just kept banging into their nippy winger, especially on their right and we kept getting thrown on the back foot again and again. We've missed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontCallMeOwlCallYou Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) Westwood Lees Lascelles Yedlin Reach Hutch Lee Abdi FF Rhodes Hooper Get a fast skill full winger also to switch it up, I believe Carlos has tried to get one in but the ones that have come have not shown him in training what they can do. Edited May 19, 2017 by don'tCallMeOwlCallYo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Ronnie Starling said: Burton Birmingham away Leeds Ipswich home All four we stupidly played 3 CMs. Horribly lop-sided play that stifled any ability to attack down both flanks. Ipswich was Lee and Jones. Not Lee and Bannan. Can you find a couple of Lee Bannan CM games where we played two wingers and it failed? I know one...PNE away last year, where we were nil-nil till we went down to ten men. Crap performance I agree, but I'm not suggesting we will win 46/46. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Holmowl said: All four we stupidly played 3 CMs. Horribly lop-sided play that stifled any ability to attack down both flanks. Ipswich was Lee and Jones. Not Lee and Bannan. Can you find a couple of Lee Bannan CM games where we played two wingers and it failed? I know one...PNE away last year, where we were nil-nil till we went down to ten men. Crap performance I agree, but I'm not suggesting we will win 46/46. Ipswich you are correct but Brighton at home is an example of where it failed. Wallace and Reach were the wingers in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swinners Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I would seriously think about changing the formation to a 3-5-2. Westwood New Lees Hutchinson New Lee Bannan Abdi Forresteiri Rhodes Hooper Subs Wildsmith Loovens Puddl Reach Wallace Winnall Fletcher So. Two quality additions needed and go again - PROVIDED - we can keep players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnsleyOwl96 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 We aren't that far away but a few good signings we will be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: Ipswich you are correct but Brighton at home is an example of where it failed. Wallace and Reach were the wingers in that game. Fair play to you. I know from the Politics section how dogged you are. But....doesn't it tell you something, that after looking really hard for a proper 442, with two wingers and Lee Bannan at CM, that you only found one defeat against the automatic promotion side? Like I said earlier, we wouldn't win 46/46, but I think we would be a shoe-in for an auto spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Fair play to you. I know from the Politics section how dogged you are. But....doesn't it tell you something, that after looking really hard for a proper 442, with two wingers and Lee Bannan at CM, that you only found one defeat against the automatic promotion side? Like I said earlier, we wouldn't win 46/46, but I think we would be a shoe-in for an auto spot. There have been other games where we have played Bannan Lee Hutchinson and Wallace in the same side and it hasn't worked. Lee puts a lot of effort in but doesn't dominate or control the midfield. I suppose I don't think we have ever replaced Carlton Palmer who was a true box to box midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 5 hours ago, roundhayowl said: Next to Lees in his rightful position of centre half. Agree with this, and I think Hutch himself thinks cb is his best position, but it leaves a real need for a general in the middle if Hutch isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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