RobbieOwler Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Right, it's been brought up several times in threads before but I feel it's still under discussed.Some of you will be aware of 'moneyballing' in baseball or the Football equivalent as discussed in 'Soccernomics' but the basic premise is that you are much more likely to succeed if you spend less on transfer fees and more on wages.We can already argue that free transfers are the best way to operate, no doubt we'd be in the play-offs if we continued signing free transfers on a good wage like Westwood (and the minimal fee for Lees) last June shortly after the initial takeover.As stated in Soccernomics the 12 golden rules of the transfer market are: 1. A new manager wastes money on transfers: don't let him2. Use the wisdom of crowds (take opinions on players from a number of coaches)3. Stars of recent World Cups or European Championships are overvalued: ignore them4. Certain nationalities are overvalued (Brazilians and Dutch, for example)5. Older players are overvalued6. Centre-forwards are overvalued; goalkeepers are undervalued7. Gentlemen prefer blondes; identify and abandon 'sight-based prejudices' (blonde players are, sub-consciously, disproportionately popular with scouts because they stand out from a distance)8. The best time to buy a player is when he is in his early twenties9. Sell any player when another club offers more than he is worth10. Replace your best players even before you sell them11. Buy players with personal problems, and then help them deal with their problems12. Help your players relocateIt's enough to consider but personally I agree with most of these points. Working under a director of football Gray seems like the best manager to work under these rules, he's pretty good man manager, can deal with problem players well.I really want to cheapen this with a Football Manager comment but do you feel we can get a promotion winning side from free transfers as long as the wages are there to help us achieve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Does rule number seven also apply to those coves with silly boots that look like early 1970's drip paintings from the school art block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dukeries Owl Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 13) Don't buy forwards then sell all your wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 4) Loads of Dutch players have been bargains compared to their sell on value. Seems a good place to scout and pick up good players for not too much money. 4) UK players are overvalued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 14) don't buy a crock and expect him to be injury free 15) A good loan player will turn poo poo as soon as he's sign permanently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 14) don't buy a crock and expect him to be injury free 15) A good loan player will turn poo poo as soon as he's sign permanently I think these two should be gilded in crest above the managers office to remind him every day. So many time in the past.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mancunian_Owl Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 4. - Vim Jonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Interesting suggestions there. A few thoughts... "Older players are overvalued"... up to a point, and then we tend to undervalue them. It's very hard to put a price on the kind of experience and know-how some of these older pros bring to the table. They're also more likely to welcome, rather than resent, a place on the bench as they approach the end of their careers. We've benefitted from the likes of Prutton, Howard and Watson in recent years. "Identify and abandon 'sight-based prejudices" - this is a fascinating idea and I wonder how true it really is. Imagine a scout reporting back after a game: "That left back had decent pace, plus he was a bit of a looker - ooh, he had lovely hair...sign him, sign him, sign him!" "The best time to buy a player is when he is in his early twenties" - thankfully, we seem to have already adopted this mantra in the past year or two - the likes of Melo, Bus, Lees, May, Nuhiu, Hutchinson, Vermijl etc... will either develop into the players we'd hoped, or should at least have some resale value. "Buy players with personal problems, and then help them deal with their problems" - well, it worked with Madine! Seriously, though - Gray seems to have the knack of getting players with a bit of a 'reputation' to perform for him: Drenthe, Roger Johnson, even McGugan is known as a bit of a lazy so and so by fans of Forest and Watford, yet they all did well for us. If it allows us to bring in better quality, then I'd give it a go and trust in Gray to weigh up the risks and benefits of each individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dukeries Owl Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 16) before buying any player from Scotland, bear in mind that average players look like world beaters in their league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 17) Ignore any smart/sarcy comments from know nowts on football fora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coe_22 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 16) before buying any player from Scotland, bear in mind that average players look like world beaters in their league. What do you mean by that? Where's the evidence?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 don't read fans' forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieOwler Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Interesting suggestions there. A few thoughts... "Identify and abandon 'sight-based prejudices" - this is a fascinating idea and I wonder how true it really is. Imagine a scout reporting back after a game: "That left back had decent pace, plus he was a bit of a looker - ooh, he had lovely hair...sign him, sign him, sign him!" When I used to work on the pig sty on the away end had so many fans telling me that ginger lad was the best player on the pitch, I swear Stephen Quinn has made a better living than his brothers by just being ginger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 When I used to work on the pig sty on the away end had so many fans telling me that ginger lad was the best player on the pitch, I swear Stephen Quinn has made a better living than his brothers by just being ginger Oh aye, he's a looker, isn't he!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Agree with most of these but as guidelines and not hard and fast rules. Sometimes is is better to shell out to get the player you need than make do with what is available on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dukeries Owl Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 What do you mean by that? Where's the evidence?? If your statement was a premise to begin a PHD, the research wouldn't be very taxing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Oh aye, he's a looker, isn't he!? 177950.jpg He looks like that offensive depiction of an Irish Leprechaun on the box of that American Breakfast Cereal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 18/ Dont sign cheapo league two players and expect them to turn into championship players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Its a good book though Soccereconomics - saying you can almost predict each league table based on the wages paid. Never an exact science as there are other variables but this is the main one The problem for Wednesday is historically never having the money for either transfers or wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coe_22 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 If your statement was a premise to begin a PHD, the research wouldn't be very taxing Too true! We seem to love signing an up and coming jock only for them to be awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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