Elvin Parsnip Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Can't be arsed arguing - Madine is a better player and will get us more goals this season than COG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 no he wont Well we'll just have to wait and see wont we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 It will stick upfront better with cog, whether that translates to more goals or just better possession is debatable My main issue with him last season was he would dwell too long in possession. It is vital that other players get beyond him or get into the box aswell. Otherwise we won't create chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oz_owl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 You been to any games this season ? The ball doesn't stick to madine. The ball sticks to COG like fly paper. And I'm not one of these that bums COG all of a sudden. It's just fact. Thread over How is that a fact? Have you re-watched all of this seasons games and catalogued the number of times each has/hasn't held the ball up to prove it? I'd be interested to know your findings if you have. I don't get the sudden Madine bashing. I hear it on the Kop around me. He's younger than CoG, scores more goals, has a much better first touch and lay-off. All he needs is a run of games and decent service. The benefit of playing CoG is his physicality and workrate. He can bully a defence into mistakes. It isn't his hold-up play. When it DOES stick he's good at shielding the ball, but it definitely doesn't stick every time, far from it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 A man who talks sense at last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 No it doesn't stick every time and it was interesting to see how many times our passing moves broke down with him on Friday. Having said that, he is the best man we have for the job but if we want to take advantage of our clever players in midfield, then I'm afraid we'll have to bring someone in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 I bet you were screaming for COG to be dropped last season - do you really think we would have been promoted if we had stuck with COG and 1 winger like Megson wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townend_owl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) COG is better in that role at present, that's just a fact. What worries me is the lack of chances created against Leeds vs the quality of our play / possession. I know it's a 'derby' game, but it's one of very few positive performances recently we have to go on. COG will work wonders in that role if the wide players are going to get ahead of him on a more regular basis into not just wide positions but striking positions. When COG wins the ball he needs to rely on the wide players to replace him as the striker(s). This is the fundamental weakness with 4-5-1 though (unless you're a world class team who's wingers are as good as forwards as they are wingers). IF it isn't working, you have to replace the single striker and the whole dynamic of the system changes which takes 5-10 minutes or more to settle again (players are used to knocking it into COG for 60 minutes and suddenly, it's not sticking any more). Edited October 22, 2012 by townend_owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'd like us to play 442 at home with Bothroyd and Madine up front and Antonio and JJ on the wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I think COG did very well so far this season, but it is true that his first touch aint good enough for a striker playing alone for big part of a game. I think there is no harm in trying something differenta, and giving a chance to finally fit again Gary Madine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oooh Lala Sibon Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 COG really has surprised me so far he's more than capable in this league. However it is frustrating as he is only good with his back to goal, he doesn't want the ball in behind to run on to skip past a player and finish, he will run on to it turn and lay it back or hold the play up which is fine, if he has a strike partner. Where as Madine has that quality and I do think we would get more goals playing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townend_owl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Too many fans thinking they could play manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 youd have lost your bet then argue the point not the poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Lets just wait till the end of the season - if COG's got more goals than the goal machine I will gladly admit what a fool Iam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 TBH cogs the one doing the job Madine i think will have a certain court date on his mind methinks , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevdi9 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) true Deirdre mate ,and it,s going to play on his mind no matter what , Edited October 22, 2012 by trevdi9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharrowowl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) I've been to every game. COG's first touch is shocking. He is ok playing 442 but on his own he offers little. How many shots on target has he had playing up front on his own ? Madine has hardly had a chance - when he did we played our best football against the Brummies Actually Madine played the last 30mins which we lost 2-1. We were 2-0 up when O'Grady was subbed. Madine may have potential but it's one thing to do it in League 1 when everyone loves you and you are number 1 striker in the team. To do it when you are no longer number 1 and you are playing a higher standard, you have to grasp the chances you get to impress. Madine hasn't done this though its not been through lack of effort. He's just got to reprove himself but at the moment O'Grady has earned top spot. Edited October 22, 2012 by sharrowowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 no way on earth should madine come in for cog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ozzieowlpelvicthrust Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 If DJ is going to stick with 451 surely Madine would be a better option to play the lone role, he can hold up play better and has a better first touch. He also wins a lot of free kicks wich we are dangerous from. Don't get me wrong COG is a decent player but Madine is the better option. Have to say your argument is totally baffling. To say Madine can hold the ball up better than O'Grady is nonsense. Madine hates playing with his back to goal and is not really a link man as his first touch is generally poor and doesn't have the strength of O'Grady to hold defenders off. Now if you had said Madine was a better goalscorer / more prolific then you may have had a case. His time will come but we need to change the system to accomodate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatzooma Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Sell Madine, splash out on someone else..Madine just doesn't cut it for me and I don't think his game is improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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