Ranchrat Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I know Sid (and Jane). The last thing they would want is for any Hartlepool fans to be beaten up in his name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gail Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I would just like to say how ashamed most poolie fans are after what has happened to this poor man it is discusting to think you go to a football match to have a good time and this happens , please do not tar us all with the same brush as the mindless morons who did this all our thoughts and prayers are going out to him and his family we are so sorry this happened and hope he makes a full recovery we also hope they get locked up for a very long time which is what they deserve . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I seem to remember reading somewhere that with this kind of thing, as crap as it might be, often what we consider to be lesser charges are brought forward just to ensure a conviction of somekind, rather than the CPS trying to make something more serious stick which may be affected by lack of evidence etc etc and not lead to any conviction at all. Don't know enough about it, but does make you question our legal system if this understanding is correct! Like you i'm no legal eagle - but i understood the main difference between ABH and GBH was the severity of the injuries - and this is not in doubt - the guy is in a very bad way But as already mentioned i expect the charges will be ratified when all the investigations are done - no way will it be an ABH charge unless it is for somebody who was deemed to have played a minor part - still can't see it But as you say our legal system seems to be very confused at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I don't condone football violence but No mate, there are no 'but's. If Wednesday fans respond to this with violence it isn't revenge at all, it's just more moronic twattish thuggery. We can't act outraged against other fans being violent then say 'well ours do it too but....'. I personally feel I have more in common with a Leeds or United fan who goes to watch football than an Owls fan who wants to beat people up. Decent? why would lying make him decent. 'Lawyer'* * I don't mean it lawyers, sorry,please don't sue me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elated owl Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 No mate, there are no 'but's. If Wednesday fans respond to this with violence it isn't revenge at all, it's just more moronic twattish thuggery. We can't act outraged against other fans being violent then say 'well ours do it too but....'. I personally feel I have more in common with a Leeds or United fan who goes to watch football than an Owls fan who wants to beat people up. 'Lawyer'* * I don't mean it lawyers, sorry,please don't sue me. You have to say this is true. You read about an innocent person like Sid and your natural reaction is to clench fists and grit teeth. However, acting on those impulses only serves to associate yourself with those who tarnish the whole concept of being a football supporter. Without going off on a tangent too much - if the police had an adequate system of law in place to enforce then there would be very little trouble for the offenders would fear the legal system and punishments too much. As it stands, they have nothing but contempt for a system that does nothing to protect the innocent - but that's another argument. I wish everyone associated with Sid, his family and friends all the best and hope you make a speedy recovery fella. I don't know you from Adam but you are part of the Sheffield Wednesday family and deserve to watch your team without fear for your life. All the best and I will also add my own name to those calling for the club to make a gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest i8blades Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Sid is a proper Wednesdaytite,never misses a match home or away.I used to go to school with him,we have been all over the shop watchin Wednesday.From the old 3rd div to wembley,Sid is a ledge.He is my sons god father.Dont see him so much nowadays on account of him livin in Swinton,but u can gaurentee whenever i can get an away match these days i will inevitably bump into Sid at some stage.......Get well soon mate UTFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlbythesea Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 First off, best wishes for a quick recovery to Sid and hope all goes well. The charge of ABH will have been brought on the advice of the Crown prosecution servce, because of the two possible charges of abh & gbh, it is the easier to prove, but this does not mean they have gone for an easy option, as the court will now decide the severity of the punishment dependant on evidence, how the scumbag pleaded in the interview, past criminal history and how Sid recovers from his injuries. I believe the scum is in court today and maybe going on remand, so a result for justice straight away, but I would imagine while Sid is in hospital he will stay in prison awaiting the outcome of Sid's recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swafty Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 (edited) Come on the powers that be at hillsborough show your support for this guy. GOOD LUCK SID AND HOPE YOU HAVE A SPEEDY RECOVERY. Edited August 31, 2010 by swafty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Briscoe Inferno Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Wishing Sid a speedy recovery. I hope those cowards responsible are punished. Why there was no BTP presence at the station beggars belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmyowl1212 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 i was hoping to make the return fixture with the wife and spend the night at a sheff wed fans house on the night in frecheville but after reading some of the posts about revenge do you lot think i might be wise not to? I think it would be much safer to sit in the home end with your friends. Anyone heard how Sid is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo hippy Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 all thoughts to Sid and family, shocking that this kind of thing can still happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls84 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Is it Sid who has a season ticket middle of South Stand just in front of directors box? Best wishes anyway Sid hope you pull through and get back to S6 in plenty of time for the promotion party UTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest i8blades Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 spoke to sid's brother this mornin.....he's still in a coma but in a stable condition,i think from what i can make out the hospital are keeping him in the coma..he does have a fractured skull UTFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul2412 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 From what I understand about these things, there will only be a lesser charge brought against the person who did it. Basically, even if the worst happens only a lesser charge would be brought as it was a single punch to the head. It wasn't a sustained attack (such as kicking and punching when the victim is on the ground). Bizarrely, if you punch someone and they fall on a kerb and die, you'll only be charged with manslaughter. If you punch someone, then stamp on their head once they are down you're more likely to go down for murder. So, like someone mentioned earlier any "decent" lawyer will make the case that the assault (hopefully it stays as assault) was a "irrational mistake brought on by alcohol" rather than something more menacing. With our ridiculously lenient justice system he'll probably get no more than a couple of years, serving maybe 6 months. In the meantime, the victim will have been scarred for life. Possibly physically, certainly mentally. Stinks of poo , but I bet that is what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 From what I understand about these things, there will only be a lesser charge brought against the person who did it. Basically, even if the worst happens only a lesser charge would be brought as it was a single punch to the head. It wasn't a sustained attack (such as kicking and punching when the victim is on the ground). Bizarrely, if you punch someone and they fall on a kerb and die, you'll only be charged with manslaughter. If you punch someone, then stamp on their head once they are down you're more likely to go down for murder. So, like someone mentioned earlier any "decent" lawyer will make the case that the assault (hopefully it stays as assault) was a "irrational mistake brought on by alcohol" rather than something more menacing. With our ridiculously lenient justice system he'll probably get no more than a couple of years, serving maybe 6 months. In the meantime, the victim will have been scarred for life. Possibly physically, certainly mentally. Stinks of poo , but I bet that is what will happen. How do you know it was a single punch ? Reports are that his mate took a leathering as well ......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam779 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 spoke to sid's brother this mornin.....he's still in a coma but in a stable condition,i think from what i can make out the hospital are keeping him in the coma..he does have a fractured skull UTFO Thanks for the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0wl4life Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 i was hoping to make the return fixture with the wife and spend the night at a sheff wed fans house on the night in frecheville but after reading some of the posts about revenge do you lot think i might be wise not to? First of all i would like to wish Sid and his friend a speedy recovery,,and hope to F**k the morons resposible get a hefty sentence. Secondly,,,,i agree with Barmyowl1212,,you would be as well sitting with your Wednesday friends in the home stand,,,the vast majority of 0wls fans are decent football fans,you would be welcome to drink and have banter with proper Wednesdayites at the New Bridge Inn on Halifax Road b4 and after the game, I hope all you proper decent Pool fans are not put off supporting your lads because of this incident,,as Sids friend said in an earlier post,,,Sid wouldn't want any revenge,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AwayOwl1991 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11135267 31 August 2010 Last updated at 07:14 Share this page Facebook Twitter Share Email Print Men in court over Hartlepool-Sheffield Wednesday fight Two men have appeared in court after violence flared between Hartlepool fans and Sheffield Wednesday supporters. Trouble broke out in Station Approach, Church Street, Hartlepool, on Saturday after Wednesday beat Hartlepool 5-0. Paul Bennett, 23, of Hartlepool, has been remanded in custody charged with assaulting two Sheffield Wednesday fans aged 46 and 50. Dean Carroll, 27, accused of assaulting the 46-year-old, was bailed by magistrates. Four other men, aged 25, 45, 48, and 20, arrested during the fight, have been bailed pending further inquiries. The 50-year-old victim is critically ill while the 46-year-old Wednesday fan suffered head injuries and is recovering in hospital. Mr Carroll and Mr Bennett will next appear before Hartlepool Magistrates' Court on 3 September. They've named the people who attacked the 2 wednesday fans, hope they get sentenced on the 3rd September for at least 5 years. flipping flaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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