Luke Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Goals for 12 Goals against 29 Won 2 Draw 3 Loss 9 Failed to score 6 /14 games Before boxing day Won 9 Draw 6 Loss 6 Goals for 34 Goals against 20 Failed to score 3/23 games Current top scorers Fletcher 13 goals Murphy 5 goals Nuhiu 4 goals Fox 3 goals Harris 3 goals Rhodes 3 goals 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 After a run like that, 90% of EFL clubs would fire the manager and get a replacement in. Not us though. No wonder there is so much apathy in the fanbase when the club’s hierarchy are so blasé about the situation. Even if we stay up this season, Monk has to go, along with the majority of the out-of-contract players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Westfield Owl said: After a run like that, 90% of EFL clubs would fire the manager and get a replacement in. Not us though. No wonder there is so much apathy in the fanbase when the club’s hierarchy are so blasé about the situation. Even if we stay up this season, Monk has to go, along with the majority of the out-of-contract players. HYPOTHETICAL for ya... what if it’s the out of contract players that are trying to get Monk fired so that a new manager will give them a new contract? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Guess we will never truly went on between the Bristol and Stoke games but it probably amounts to Monk crapping in his hands an clapping in the player’s faces. Start of that Stoke game was the beginning of the end for me. Turgid display that followed onto similarly inept performances. Amazing how we managed to rise and play so well against Leeds, Brighton, QPR and Man City, before churning out dross performances against lowly Hull and Cardiff and Wigan, not to mention a spanking by Blackburn. I reckon they were all told that players out of contract would not have them renewed around that time. Interesting that Dawson was the only one to get offered and accepted a new deal. Club is screwed and the blame sits with DC and those he has entrusted to run the playing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Westfield Owl said: After a run like that, 90% of EFL clubs would fire the manager and get a replacement in. Not us though. No wonder there is so much apathy in the fanbase when the club’s hierarchy are so blasé about the situation. Even if we stay up this season, Monk has to go, along with the majority of the out-of-contract players. we've had managers with a record worse than that who achieved success perhaps monk will though I doubt he will be given the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: HYPOTHETICAL for ya... what if it’s the out of contract players that are trying to get Monk fired so that a new manager will give them a new contract? I don’t think any of our players are that clever/manipulative. If the likes of Forestieri, Fletcher, Fox, Lee, Nuhiu etc want another contract (here or at another EFL club) the simplest way of achieving that is to play out of their skins for the next 8 weeks. Make themselves useful players to have. The conspiracy theories need to stop IMO. We are a sinking ship because of poor management (on and off the pitch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, torryowl said: we've had managers with a record worse than that who achieved success perhaps monk will though I doubt he will be given the time Have we had many managers that have been sacked from their last two job, within the previous two seasons? Have we had many managers that have never won promotion, at any level? Have we had many managers that have never made the playoffs, at any level? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Westfield Owl said: Have we had many managers that have been sacked from their last two job, within the previous two seasons? ron Atkinson at man utd and Atletico madrid …….he had the record 1st 11 games season 89-90 ...1-3 -7 with 2 goals scored and 20 against ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, torryowl said: we've had managers with a record worse than that who achieved success perhaps monk will though I doubt he will be given the time Or worse, given the time, but not the coaching staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) Very very poor since Christmas. However I’m more pi$$ed off with the players than Monk. They are the ones that have been massively underperforming on the pitch. Monk has made some strange decisions but when players are on such a pathetic run he is just trying anything to get us out of it. I would love us to stay in the Championship this season, Monk gets to bring in his own staff in the summer (this should have happened straight away) and let him get rid of as many players as possible. Edited March 11, 2020 by WalthamOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, torryowl said: ron Atkinson at man utd and Atletico madrid …….he had the record 1st 11 games season 89-90 ...1-3 -7 with 2 goals scored and 20 against ….. Sacked twice within the previous 2 league campaigns was the criteria. Atkinson left Manchester United in ‘86, then he had a relatively decent spell at West Brom, which he resigned from (which you’ve either forgotten about, or omitted because it supports your argument) and then he managed Atletico after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meadows Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 We’re an absolute basket case... we’ve got a chairman that doesn’t know his ar se from his elbow, a terrible manager with an estate agent as his assistant and a bunch of spineless players 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr Meadows said: We’re an absolute basket case... we’ve got a chairman that doesn’t know his ar se from his elbow, a terrible manager with an estate agent as his assistant and a bunch of spineless players why does it have to be our flippingclub that is a shambles from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Westfield Owl said: Sacked twice within the previous 2 league campaigns was the criteria. Atkinson left Manchester United in ‘86, then he had a relatively decent spell at West Brom, which he resigned from (which you’ve either forgotten about, or omitted because it supports your argument) and then he managed Atletico after that... no ..fair play I got that one wrong …..but his record was still crap and he got us relegated and yet he has near legendary status here . ...he was given time by dave Richards and achieved success but then there was no social media back then giving the chairman grief unlike now where the owners copping heat coz the team is in a similar run to atko's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, torryowl said: no ..fair play I got that one wrong …..but his record was still crap and he got us relegated and yet he has near legendary status here . ...he was given time by dave Richards and achieved success but then there was no social media back then giving the chairman grief unlike now where the owners copping heat coz the team is in a similar run to atko's. Yep you called it wrong. It’s ok, happens to the best of us. I’m not going to getting into a debate about Atkinson because it’s not relevant to the thread. Sorry to be rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Westfield Owl said: Yep you called it wrong. It’s ok, happens to the best of us. I’m not going to getting into a debate about Atkinson because it’s not relevant to the thread. Sorry to be rude. rounduns your not getting away that easy …..do you think monk should be sacked for a poor 11 game record …...and if you do should Atkinson / wilko/Charlton who all had similar records …..you can say its not relevant but if 3 of our best managers can turn it round the why not give monk the chance …... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, torryowl said: rounduns your not getting away that easy …..do you think monk should be sacked for a poor 11 game record …...and if you do should Atkinson / wilko/Charlton who all had similar records …..you can say its not relevant but if 3 of our best managers can turn it round the why not give monk the chance …... I think Monk should be sacked. 100%. Even prior to Christmas, we were getting results despite his dire brand of football and tactics, not because of them. Throw in his crap January signings, his ‘disagreements’ with senior players, his inability to manage seeing games out without conceding late on etc etc Edited March 11, 2020 by Westfield Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Westfield Owl said: his inability to manage seeing games out without conceding late on etc etc how can he stop them giving late goals away ….does he say to iorfa head it the wrong way like he did at stoke , does he say to westwood or palmer mess up like you did at west brom .. does he say westy miss the corner like he did against Swansea ,...…….the players have to take responsibility for seeing games out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfield Owl Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, torryowl said: how can he stop them giving late goals away ….does he say to iorfa head it the wrong way like he did at stoke , does he say to westwood or palmer mess up like you did at west brom .. does he say westy miss the corner like he did against Swansea ,...…….the players have to take responsibility for seeing games out. Might as well not bother with a manger then if players can’t be coached, or tactics can’t be discussed, or substitutions can’t be planned to support our defence. Thats what a manager is paid to do. Players have to take responsibility, of course they do. But if they aren’t responding to the manager’s instructions, then it’s Monk who needs to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomtheOwl95 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Westfield Owl said: After a run like that, 90% of EFL clubs would fire the manager and get a replacement in. Not us though. No wonder there is so much apathy in the fanbase when the club’s hierarchy are so blasé about the situation. Even if we stay up this season, Monk has to go, along with the majority of the out-of-contract players. Maybe because Monk isn't the problem and changing the manager won't bring about the change people think it would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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