oldtawnyowl Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 hours ago, HIGHERSTATE said: But i'd have given a right arm to beat Fulham last Saturday. That's the difference. 3 hours ago, Hookowl said: We've run out of right arms. Will one of these left one's do instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 But if you take the top tier out of the cup, it kills all the excitement of a giant killing. You take away everything the cup games stood for. It will end up exactly the same, just that the giant killing can't come from the Championship, because they will then be the top tier. All you would have is mundane cup games, that will be exactly the same as mundane Championship league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel The Tree Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, MAL said: But if you take the top tier out of the cup, it kills all the excitement of a giant killing. You take away everything the cup games stood for. Yes, but I don't see how excluding those sides who've qualified for Europe would harm the competition That would still leave around twenty or so 'big' clubs in the draw Plus, the winner might actually qualify for the Europa League, rather than pass the place onto the next highest finisher in the PL table I'm all for breaking the stranglehold the current top 6 have on domestic trophies They've already ruined the FA Cup imo by abolishing replays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Repperton Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Hookowl said: Aren't they left arms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, oldtawnyowl said: We've run out of right arms. Will one of these left one's do instead. Not a problem if you're ambidextrous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, Buddy Repperton said: Aren't they left arms? I'm ambidextrous innit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethel The Tree said: Yes, but I don't see how excluding those sides who've qualified for Europe would harm the competition That would still leave around twenty or so 'big' clubs in the draw Plus, the winner might actually qualify for the Europa League, rather than pass the place onto the next highest finisher in the PL table I'm all for breaking the stranglehold the current top 6 have on domestic trophies They've already ruined the FA Cup imo by abolishing replays Yeah, that's a fair enough point, but... I was looking more at the spectator view. Fans turn up for the big games (Us v Arsenal) they are not going to pay to see a match against what is another Championship or a little bit better team. IMHO there would not be anywhere near 20 "Big Clubs", that would attract any sort of attention, unless you progressed closer to the Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel The Tree Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, MAL said: IMHO there would not be anywhere near 20 "Big Clubs", Of course there are It doesn't have to be Arsenal, ManC or Liverpool, Chelsea or ManU every time But the imbalance that currently exists makes it harder for those 20 clubs to succeed ... and by doing so, set about the seemingly impossible task of closing the gap As for public attention focussed only on the latter stages - well that's exactly where we're at now, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grez Bez Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ethel The Tree said: Of course there are It doesn't have to be Arsenal, ManC or Liverpool, Chelsea or ManU every time But the imbalance that currently exists makes it harder for those 20 clubs to succeed ... and by doing so, set about the seemingly impossible task of closing the gap As for public attention focussed only on the latter stages - well that's exactly where we're at now, isn't it? If it's anyone out of the top 6 plus Everton, Villa or Newcastle then Its not a pull. The cups need a champions League place to make people take it seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel The Tree Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, LSOwls said: If it's anyone out of the top 6 plus Everton, Villa or Newcastle then Its not a pull. The cups need a champions League place to make people take it seriously Yes, but are you talking about us? Or any other club in the competition? An early round or say, the quarter final? I think the biggest "pull" would be having a realistic chance of winning the thing And that aim could well stretch to half a dozen sides currently battling it out in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grez Bez Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ethel The Tree said: Yes, but are you talking about us? Or any other club in the competition? An early round or say, the quarter final? I think the biggest "pull" would be having a realistic chance of winning the thing And that aim could well stretch to half a dozen sides currently battling it out in the Championship I think it's the same for all clubs. If there's no big clubs there's no point. Nobody wants to win the LDV Vans trophy fir the same reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando17 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 hours ago, wilyfox said: Good decision by Monk. I'd rather take 3pts on sat'dy. dont agree bud,winning or playing decent mentality,builds confidence,we had a real chance and as normal,we were tame,we aint top 6 so why not have a go at the cup..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando17 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 hours ago, ka58 said: We've nothing to prioritise for - it's ridiculous. Anyone would think we've got a title decider on Saturday - I would much rather us win last night then beat middlesborough. absolutely spot on bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando17 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 hours ago, wilyfox said: If we lose, so be it. At least we gave ourselves the best possible chance of winning by resting key players. Bannan, Fletcher, and Hutchinson are now of an age where sat'dy Tuesday sat'dy will break them. Certain players do need protecting from themselves. should have played best side,we had a chance of progress,so if we dip Sat weve wasted a good opportunity ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, Ethel The Tree said: Of course there are It doesn't have to be Arsenal, ManC or Liverpool, Chelsea or ManU every time But the imbalance that currently exists makes it harder for those 20 clubs to succeed ... and by doing so, set about the seemingly impossible task of closing the gap As for public attention focussed only on the latter stages - well that's exactly where we're at now, isn't it? But nobody will want to watch those teams, you have included Everton in your "Big Clubs". We had them last night, 21,000 turned up, that was including a big following from them. It would just die a quicker death than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel The Tree Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, LSOwls said: If there's no big clubs there's no point. Nobody wants to win the LDV Vans trophy fir the same reason I don't know where to start Those 'big' clubs you refer to are monsters created over the past dozen or so years in the name of greed You could say if they're going to win everything from now until whenever then there really is no point I'm merely suggesting a competitive alternative As for the LDV Vans trophy? I couldn't name a past winner off the top of my head But I'm sure whoever did were as pleased as punch - and their fans were glad they turned out to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel The Tree Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, MAL said: But nobody will want to watch those teams, you have included Everton in your "Big Clubs". We had them last night, 21,000 turned up, that was including a big following from them. It would just die a quicker death than it is now. So there are only four or five clubs in this country that actually count for anything Perhaps another half dozen across Europe The rest are totally irrelevant - not worth turning out to watch That makes 21,000 sound like a bloody good crowd, doesn't it? But what if it was a quarter final. Same game Think it'd be the same crowd? I remember drawing the pigs in the league cup the season after BDM - there was around 24k at Hillsborough Couple of years later - Burnley at home, FA Cup qtr final replay - over 41k I'd say it's the match, the prize, that holds the appeal - not necessarily the opposition But most domestic cup competitions nowadays are like a procession, perm two from six And the finals are instantly forgettable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Did Winnall have anything else of note to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 I was well chuffed he got back on the scoresheet with that deft header. Hope the lad does well for us. Clean break and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 20 hours ago, SiJ said: Are you on crack? No - I take it you disagree? give us a quick explanation as to why you think beating middlesborough away on Saturday is better than beating Everton on Tuesday then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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