Forestieri

[matthefish2002]

4 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said:

Since when did this 25k per week thing graduate from commonly-held bullshite Owlstalkery to actual reason as to what happened that day?  Hint:  It didn't. 

 

 

 

Please educate why FF didn't play at Norwich, have to apologise and be fined 2 weeks wages?

It was also reported he didn't want to play in the opening match v Villa and senior players had to talk him round. Was this also misreported? Genuine questions.

[MOwl]

18 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

Please educate why FF didn't play at Norwich, have to apologise and be fined 2 weeks wages?

It was also reported he didn't want to play in the opening match v Villa and senior players had to talk him round. Was this also misreported? Genuine questions.

 

That all happened. The difference is that it wasn't purely over money. Forestieri had had a fantastic season last year, been our dynamo and main go-to guy. He was our best player. Then we brought in Stephen Fletcher on higher wages with a raft of other bonuses/signing on fees... Fernando is an emotional guy, he would have felt let down and not valued by this since his hard work hadn't been repaid and the wage structure had been readjusted to compensate for new signings. 

 

He simply felt like he wasn't valued and that other clubs would value him. We all want more money, I don't agree with how he went about trying to achieve it but it wasn't done with bad intentions.

 

Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

[matthefish2002]

Just now, MOwl said:

 

That all happened. The difference is that it wasn't purely over money. Forestieri had had a fantastic season last year, been our dynamo and main go-to guy. He was our best player. Then we brought in Stephen Fletcher on higher wages with a raft of other bonuses/signing on fees... Fernando is an emotional guy, he would have felt let down and not valued by this since his hard work hadn't been repaid and the wage structure had been readjusted to compensate for new signings. 

 

He simply felt like he wasn't valued and that other clubs would value him. We all want more money, I don't agree with how he went about trying to achieve it but it wasn't done with bad intentions.

 

Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

 

So basically it was not just money but money and ego.

[MOwl]

8 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

So basically it was not just money but money and ego.

 

More ego than money, which in my opinion isn't necessarily a bad thing. The issue is is that you need a happy Forestieri to get the best Forestieri, and that will often mean pandering to him and loving him even when he isn't right.

 

I fear that FF will never come back from this. There will always be a group of fans who never forgive him and it's a terrible shame. He's a good player, a nice guy with a good heart. He loves community work, he puts time in for the fans. He cares what the fans think of him actually. It's just a shame it's worked out that people can't get past a slip up that he made.

[oh_weds_we_love_you]

3 hours ago, JoshTheOwl said:

He's done absolutely roger all this season. 

 

Reasonable bait and great weather to have the rod out!

[Big Ron's Sovereign]

1 hour ago, M Royds said:

Unbelievable. 

 

If top scorer is a least done nothing I'm flabbergasted.  

 

1 hour ago, SiJ said:

12 goals...

 

3 hours ago, JoshTheOwl said:

He's done absolutely roger all this season. 

 

JTO is just a wind up. 

His last few posts have been to nominate Allardyce, Moyes and Pardew  Nuff said about the troll

[matthefish2002]

5 minutes ago, MOwl said:

 

More ego than money, which in my opinion isn't necessarily a bad thing. The issue is is that you need a happy Forestieri to get the best Forestieri, and that will often mean pandering to him and loving him even when he isn't right.

 

I fear that FF will never come back from this. There will always be a group of fans who never forgive him and it's a terrible shame. He's a good player, a nice guy with a good heart. He loves community work, he puts time in for the fans. He cares what the fans think of him actually. It's just a shame it's worked out that people can't get past a slip up that he made.

 

Sorry I don't interpret what happened as a minor slip spur of the moment decision.

To be on more money in a week then the majority of supporters see in a year and refuse to play for reasons of ego is not acceptable at all.

I went to Norwich and paid the eye watering price of £35 for a ticket (as well as travel costs) and had to rearrange some family duties to go to the game.  

Sorry but really couldn't care less if FF is a sensitive misunderstood soul.

I don't lose any sleep over what happened and I am not saying people who see things differently are wrong but to be honest I will be glad if he goes this summer. 

[Big Ron's Sovereign]

3 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

Sorry I don't interpret what happened as a minor slip spur of the moment decision.

To be on more money in a week then the majority of supporters see in a year and refuse to play for reasons of ego is not acceptable at all.

I went to Norwich and paid the eye watering price of £35 for a ticket (as well as travel costs) and had to rearrange some family duties to go to the game.  

Sorry but really couldn't care less if FF is a sensitive misunderstood soul.

I don't lose any sleep over what happened and I am not saying people who see things differently are wrong but to be honest I will be glad if he goes this summer. 

 

FFS!  Are you 12?  Get over it

[owl4528]

FF on the left midfield = successful season

[oh_weds_we_love_you]

25 minutes ago, MOwl said:

 

That all happened. The difference is that it wasn't purely over money. Forestieri had had a fantastic season last year, been our dynamo and main go-to guy. He was our best player. Then we brought in Stephen Fletcher on higher wages with a raft of other bonuses/signing on fees... Fernando is an emotional guy, he would have felt let down and not valued by this since his hard work hadn't been repaid and the wage structure had been readjusted to compensate for new signings. 

 

He simply felt like he wasn't valued and that other clubs would value him. We all want more money, I don't agree with how he went about trying to achieve it but it wasn't done with bad intentions.

 

Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

 

Did you get your information about Forestieri's situation from the same place you got your information about Sasso being offered a 12 month contract just hours before he was released?

 

Reason I have doubts is Forestieri has been around long enough to understand the deal around Bosman transfers - the player in question usually gets to demand a higher salary and signing fee due to the club not having to pay a transfer fee to secure his services. Not forgetting Fletcher was in high demand, spent most of his career in the top flight, a solid goal scoring record, racking up 10's of millions in transfer fees, and a regular international.

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

6 hours ago, westys understudy said:

FF is undoubtedly a cracking player and imo still has a big part to play in getting us back to the promise land. 12/13 goals in a mixed season just imagine him firing on all cylinders next season should cause absolute carnage

 

Nail on head my friend, and also worth bearing in mind the birth of his new child, and clearly having  play whilst clearly injured. I'm sure these two aspects had an effect on his overall game, but when he is on it, buzzing around, harrying defenders, he is quality.

 

I'm hoping he comes back refreshed and rejuvenated and scores a shed load.

Edited May 26, 2017 by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

[Gresh]

Arguably the best player we have.  For those wanting to get rid you've got rocks in your head!

 

[Rentaghost]

Ff is a bottle job. 

[cookeh]

36 minutes ago, Gresh said:

Arguably the best player we have.  For those wanting to get rid you've got rocks in your head!

 

 

I'd agree he's top tier for us, but he does need to be n his most effective position, which is wide left.

[Guest Kameron]

Another vastly overrated player that goes missing when it's time to step forward and lead the way.   some of our supporters need to take a look at our better results and periods of good form, none our so called best players were on the park.  FF, Lee and Hutch all out for lengthy spells yet form picks up, Hooper was a big miss as we have no like for like replacement.

[owls_wawaw]

leading scorer last two seasons just shows his effectiveness. he needs playing out left and him and reach viying for the position. playing him up front is stupid and ineffective as this means we are loosing hooper rhodes partnership 

[Guest gizowl]

3 minutes ago, owls_wawaw said:

leading scorer last two seasons just shows his effectiveness. he needs playing out left and him and reach viying for the position. playing him up front is stupid and ineffective as this means we are loosing hooper rhodes partnership 

All strikers need supply,at the right time too,this they rarely got last season due to our slow predictable build up play,when we had chance to break quickly and feed the strikers early when opponents were stretched we would slow it up,allowing opposition to get their shape back and mark up.All this hype on Rhodes being first choice striker is laughable,if you d have a winger putting him crosses in he's a waste of space, winnalls overall contribution to the team is better and he wouldn't bottle a penalty.

[Guest gizowl]

Just now, gizowl said:

All strikers need supply,at the right time too,this they rarely got last season due to our slow predictable build up play,when we had chance to break quickly and feed the strikers early when opponents were stretched we would slow it up,allowing opposition to get their shape back and mark up.All this hype on Rhodes being first choice striker is laughable,if you d have a winger putting him crosses in he's a waste of space, winnalls overall contribution to the team is better and he wouldn't bottle a penalty.

If you don't have a winger putting crosses in he's a waste of space.

[Guest gizowl]

45 minutes ago, Rentaghost said:

Ff is a bottle job. 

Is that a joke,theirs plenty in front of him to be labelled that,10 million pound man for starters.

[MAL]

I think people are getting carried away, either for or against, why FF's position is wide left or not.

 

He is not a waddle type player (not many have been, or will be for that matter), where he gets the ball and can beat the opposites with a drop of the shoulder every time, but he can do it on a few occasions, that was his best role when playing in the team when we finished 6th, his official position was wide left, but he was all over the front line because we attacked as a team

 

This was because FF, BB, KL, RW, GH and/or whichever forward, played the ball about, 1-2's everywhere in and around the opposites box.

 

The defence didn't know where the ball was going to be next, so they were chasing shadows.

 

That is where FF took his chances, that is what he does best.

 

This year, for most of it, the opposites defence only had two or three players to mark at the most, this meant he had to try and beat the defenders alone because we didn't have anybody coming from midfield to link up with him, so because he was in a lone position they could group round him and either take the ball from him, or force him into a mistake, the rest of the team were still only just outside our own box, because of the system we changed to.

 

CC has to find a happy medium, to play FF in the same role as last year with the same tactics will simply divide him from the team again, with mostly the same results performance wise from FF.