When Winnall Scored

[vulva]

Staggers me why a footballer would want to quadruple his wages, play for a bigger club, with a genuine chance of the Premier League, and not even have to move house. 

 

There is a football food chain. Barnsley nicked players from Torquay, Halifax and Scunthorpe. We might lose players like Westwood to the likes of Everton etc. 

 

If you want loyalty, buy a dog. 

[stanningtonowl]

2 hours ago, Dingle. said:

Not all Barnsley fans hate him, some will always be grateful to him for the effort he put in for us, and the contribution he made to our 2015/2016 season, which resulted in him netting us over 20 goals and helping his team win twice at Wembley, our club and coaching staff helped make him into a player who is now taking home over £50'000 a month, he as made the same mistake you lot on here make, because a load of bell ends on forums and twitter give him stick due to the fact they don't live in the real world, it means every Barnsley fan hates him, when this is not the case, what he did yesterday was a kick in the baIls to the club who paid him for two and a half years, and the more sensible BFC fans who see the bigger picture, he acted without class and respect in my opinion, what he should have done is gone over the wall into the away end and celebrated with you, then at the end clap all four stands. 

Your fans deserved his celebration. Why does he get dogs abuse but Houriane is treated like a god? He helped get you where you are. Be happy. Players move on,its life. We lost Buxton to Rotherham. Was gutted. His face was carved by angels.

Edited April 2, 2017 by stanningtonowl

[PeteG_1984]

I can completely understand why Sam Winnall celebrated like he did, I probably would have done the same. But I can also understand why dingle fans hate him, and I probably would in similar circumstances. 

 

It's all part of the drama of football and we're all hypocrites over many things (like referee decisions) but that's why we love it.

[ANDY]

 

[Guest Dingle.]

1 hour ago, prowl said:

That didn't work very well. You sold players at a small percentage of their worth because you hadn't got the sense to give them decent new contracts. Letting valuable players run down their contracts to the last 6 months isn't the sign of a club that is well organised.

 

Don't get me wrong, you have done well up to the new year but that's probably you lot done for the next few years. You had a chance and you blew it.

 

We sold players for a profit, after using them to get us promoted, win us a cup at Wembley and retain our championship status, because we developed them so well they became players good enough to play for teams who can pay 15/20/30/40 grand a week in wages, we can't and won't pay anyone that kind of money, so when they reach that level they have to move on, we recruit and develop again, as long as we sell some players for big wedges, Stones, Mawson, Bree, you can afford to hold on to other players and let their contracts run down so you get what you need from them out on the pitch it's working perfectly at the moment, Houihane and Winnall, helped keep us up which is worth about £4M we then sold them for a small profit, we offered them new contracts but we were a million miles away from other offers they had been informed of, because we'd developed them so well and turned them into top championship players, Scowen and Watkins will leave for free in the summer but they've helped move the club forward with leaps and bounds and our coaching staff have done the same with their games,  we've had value out of them no question about it. 

[Costello 77]

1 hour ago, vulva said:

Staggers me why a footballer would want to quadruple his wages, play for a bigger club, with a genuine chance of the Premier League, and not even have to move house. 

 

There is a football food chain. Barnsley nicked players from Torquay, Halifax and Scunthorpe. We might lose players like Westwood to the likes of Everton etc. 

 

If you want loyalty, buy a dog. 

I did, and he doesn't want to know me.

[Guest RocketOwl]

23 hours ago, Groundhopping Owl said:

Bit of a rubbish game and another frustrating result. But I'll still always remember today for a wonderful moment of schadenfreude when Winnall scored - I was torn between going mental at the goal and killing myself laughing as he sprinted off towards the Barnsley fans. Singing his name for the 10 minutes afterwards while the rest of Oakwell looked on the verge of suicide. It was just written in the stars that he'd score today, brilliant stuff 

Hopefully he goes on a run now as like Rhodes has looked about as dangerous as a ladybird 

[s6 owl]

3 minutes ago, Dingle. said:

 

We sold players for a profit, after using them to get us promoted, win us a cup at Wembley and retain our championship status, because we developed them so well they became players good enough to play for teams who can pay 15/20/30/40 grand a week in wages, we can't and won't pay anyone that kind of money, so when they reach that level they have to move on, we recruit and develop again, as long as we sell some players for big wedges, Stones, Mawson, Bree, you can afford to hold on to other players and let their contracts run down so you get what you need from them out on the pitch it's working perfectly at the moment, Houihane and Winnall, helped keep us up which is worth about £4M we then sold them for a small profit, we offered them new contracts but we were a million miles away from other offers they had been informed of, because we'd developed them so well and turned them into top championship players, Scowen and Watkins will leave for free in the summer but they've helped move the club forward with leaps and bounds and our coaching staff have done the same with their games,  we've had value out of them no question about it. 

You're manager will probably be off in the summer as well and can you blame him how the fk is he supposed to build a team when all his best player keep getting sold  and you never know we might make a move for him pretty sure he'd love to join us too, can't wait should be an interesting summer whatever happens with us, shame that all you have to look forward to is a few months of unsettling rumours bit predictable really isn't it 

[Guest Dingle.]

7 minutes ago, s6 owl said:

You're manager will probably be off in the summer as well and can you blame him how the fk is he supposed to build a team when all his best player keep getting sold  and you never know we might make a move for him pretty sure he'd love to join us too, can't wait should be an interesting summer whatever happens with us, shame that all you have to look forward to is a few months of unsettling rumours bit predictable really isn't it 

 

 

You can spend as much money as you want it doesn't automatically buy you promotion, we've reached our target this season, we have a modest budget so all we could hope for this season is staying up, we've met our target, let's see if you meet yours, with the budget your club as top six should be your minimum target, but to be honest you should be getting promoted, but from what I've seen this season you might fail to meet your minimum target. If Heckingbottom leaves we already have his replacement at the club, our player recruitment team will still be here, and we'll just move on having banked another substantial wedge. 

[Costello 77]

7 minutes ago, Dingle. said:

 

 

You can spend as much money as you want it doesn't automatically buy you promotion, we've reached our target this season, we have a modest budget so all we could hope for this season is staying up, we've met our target, let's see if you meet yours, with the budget your club as top six should be your minimum target, but to be honest you should be getting promoted, but from what I've seen this season you might fail to meet your minimum target. If Heckingbottom leaves we already have his replacement at the club, our player recruitment team will still be here, and we'll just move on having banked another substantial wedge. 

Out of pure interest..no partisan bs..where- as an outsider- do you think we're going wrong?

[Guest Dingle.]

7 hours ago, Costello 77 said:

Out of pure interest..no partisan bs..where- as an outsider- do you think we're going wrong?

 

You're spending lots of money on players when you've no need to, come the summer you'll be at it again, what needs to be done is some hard work on the training ground, finding a system/formation that gets the best out of the players you've got, you spent a fortune on Rhodes in January absolutely pointless signing, if you're not going to play a style of football that gets him at least 3 good opportunities a game in a area where he can be deadly, you already had three good strikers in FF, Winnall & Fletcher, but you're not getting the best out of them, you're wasting some fantastic footballers by playing the wrong style & tactics, that first half on Saturday was a casing point, every time you're centre backs got the ball they lumped it forward, but it came straight back because you had Rhodes and Winnall up front, if you're going to play like that why wasn't Fletcher on from the start, but more to the point why are you playing like that when you have players like, Bannan, Reach, and McManaman, surely you should be playing a style of football that gets them on the ball as much as possible, all three are top draw for this level but they were wasted on Saturday due to the way you played. If a midfield like yours can't create your strikers 7 or 8 really good chances in each game surely you're doing something wrong. 

[DesWalker]

17 minutes ago, Dingle. said:

 

You're spending lots of money on players when you've no need to, come the summer you'll be at it again, what needs to be done is some hard work on the training ground, finding a system/formation that gets the best out of the players you've got, you spent a fortune on Rhodes in January absolutely pointless signing, if you're not going to play a style of football that gets him at least 3 good opportunities a game in a area where he can be deadly, you already had three good strikers in FF, Winnall & Fletcher, but you're not getting the best out of them, you're wasting some fantastic footballers by playing the wrong style & tactics, that first half on Saturday was a casing point, every time you're centre backs got the ball they lumped it forward, but it came straight back because you had Rhodes and Winnall up front, if you're going to play like that why wasn't Fletcher on from the start, but more to the point why are you playing like that when you have players like, Bannan, Reach, and McManaman, surely you should be playing a style of football that gets them on the ball as much as possible, all three are top draw for this level but they were wasted on Saturday due to the way you played. If a midfield like yours can't create your strikers 7 or 8 really good chances in each game surely you're doing something wrong. 

 

Cant argue with that. 

 

We've turned the (historically) most prolific championship striker into nothing more than below average centre forward. Purely by how we play. 

[Bluesteel]

9 hours ago, Dingle. said:

 

We sold players for a profit, after using them to get us promoted, win us a cup at Wembley and retain our championship status, because we developed them so well they became players good enough to play for teams who can pay 15/20/30/40 grand a week in wages, we can't and won't pay anyone that kind of money, so when they reach that level they have to move on, we recruit and develop again, as long as we sell some players for big wedges, Stones, Mawson, Bree, you can afford to hold on to other players and let their contracts run down so you get what you need from them out on the pitch it's working perfectly at the moment, Houihane and Winnall, helped keep us up which is worth about £4M we then sold them for a small profit, we offered them new contracts but we were a million miles away from other offers they had been informed of, because we'd developed them so well and turned them into top championship players, Scowen and Watkins will leave for free in the summer but they've helped move the club forward with leaps and bounds and our coaching staff have done the same with their games,  we've had value out of them no question about it. 

 

You raise some good points, even if it is a tad rose tinted. 

 

Barnsley have had a good few years in developing young players and deserve credit for that, but they could've offered new deals to these players prior to this season and kept a few more? as seen at clubs like Peterborough the pressure to keep on doing it is difficult and it eventually catches you. Just as spending doesn't guarantee success, it can't be safely assumed you will keep spotting and developing players at the current rate.

[latemodelchild]

I find it odd that Barnsley fans call us pigs. Do they call united pigs too? We started it by calling united pigs. They then did their normal thing where they copy us and claim they did it first. Next thing we've got other clubs saying it about us. It makes no sense. 

[Guest Dingle.]

1 hour ago, Bluesteel said:

 

You raise some good points, even if it is a tad rose tinted. 

 

Barnsley have had a good few years in developing young players and deserve credit for that, but they could've offered new deals to these players prior to this season and kept a few more? as seen at clubs like Peterborough the pressure to keep on doing it is difficult and it eventually catches you. Just as spending doesn't guarantee success, it can't be safely assumed you will keep spotting and developing players at the current rate.

 

That's the difficult thing with our strategy, last summer we signed Angus MacDonald on a two year deal from a conference side, by late October he was being linked with a move to Norwich, they pay the sort of wages we can't compete with, luckily he signed a year extension last week, but others such as Roberts who have one year left will not sign extensions because they know clubs who pay better wages than us are sniffing around, so do we cash in in the summer or keep him   to help us retain our championship status then sell him for less money in January but still making a small profit having used him to move the club forward, I think you have to be looking at the latter, having brought in his replacement this summer, so we have six months to develop him as we did last summer, Bradshaw was bought as Winnalls replacement, Moncur as Hourihanes, Yiadom as Brees. It's working fine at the moment, and we are an attractive stepping stone for players looking to move to a club that can make them into players who can earn 15k or more a week. 

[ANDY]

 

 

You know what ..... Fair play to Barnsley. They're cutting their cloth accordingly. 

 

Their development team team are doing a fantastic job (would it be cheaper for us to poach them in the summer)

 

hecky has had them playing a good way and they are getting results. 

 

Their remit for this season was just survival. They've accomplished that with ease. 

 

Well done to them. 

 

We could do a lot worse than looking at their model and incorporating it into our set up.