beloved_aunt Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 14 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said: what simpleton specimens call us "Sheffield"? Its obviously hugely annoying but I catch myself saying "Bristol" and not distinguishing between the two clubs there. One of the worst is commentators referring to Man U as "united" even when they're playing another team called united like Leeds or West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F. Spiksley Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, poite said: Petition: Sheffield to be renamed as 'Hutchinson'. Let's make this happen! I think Theresa May has her hands full rushing the Hourihane legislation through mate. Good idea but wrong time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: Will, you are in part correct and by the early 20th C The Wednesday Cricket Club were sporting caps with the initials SWCC embroidered. However, the club/s were The Wednesday Cricket and Football clubs. The Wednesday Cricket Club was formed in 1820 and just like many amateur clubs at the time many adopted a club name that represented their half day. As The Wednesday CC grew in stature their acclaim and achievements were recognised more and more by at National level by journalists, not just by their Cricketing achievements, but also the old Darnall ground which was recognised as one of the best in the country. Thus the club quickly became known by a good few journalists to AKA The Sheffield Wednesday Cricket Club. The same scenario is equally applied to The Wednesday Cricket and Football Club from 4/9/1867. One thing is for sure whenever we are asked what Football club we support the answer roles off our tongues ... Wednesday or less often these days The Wednesday. The name is so unique and famous that there is no longer any need for the Sheffield suffix. THE WEDNESDAY ! With respect back I am not partially correct I am totally correct. What I said was that the football side of the club was known from the start as Sheffield Wednesday Football Club, which it was, 100%. Like I said it interchanged between that and The Wednesday at will in the early years, it also used other names. The club held annual meetings whereby they placed adverts in the local press for events and often used The Wednesday Football Club and Sheffield Wednesday Football Athletics Club and all sorts of variations. The athletics meetings were popular and common among all Football and cricket clubs of the day, most clubs had an athletics arm. Some clubs went on to have motor racing, gymcano and all sorts of things going off in the late 19th and early 20th century. Either way, 100% the football club used Sheffield Wednesday from the start, no matter what any website or book says, I have enough evidence of it to know it to be a fact. The thing you said about Cricket you're totally correct on apart from the date. The Cricket Club were using and known by others as Sheffield Wednesday Cricket Club long before the early 20th century. Here is a local Sheffield newspaper clipping of them being reported as such as early as 1837: This demonstrates two things. First this is proof that the "Sheffield Wednesday" name was around long before the football club even existed so it makes sense for the football club to also use the moniker from formation. Secondly it disproves any theory that as the stature of the club grew in the 20th century the national media and people nationally added the Sheffield suffix. This is a Sheffield paper reporting on Sheffield Wednesday in the early 19th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 But the official title as far as the FA were concerned was The Wednesday. I suppose they had to pick one name for the registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'd prefer to keep Sheffield in there. We are unique already with the Wednesday bit. Actually the word Sheffield is more unique than the word "the" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Newspaper cuttings does not represent proof, only the subjective jottings of various journalists. 'Sheffield' was just a means of identifying where we were from. Yes Sheffield Wednesday Football Cricket, we all know who we are talking about, the fact remains the club was formed and registered as The Wednesday Cricket Club. Interlopers and outsiders would call us as their choosing if they tagged us 'Sheffield' prior to our 'official name change' that is entirely down to them. If we placed ads including the 'Sheffield' suffix and it helped clubs like Knaresborough understand who and what they were up against so much the better. I will add though, had they wanted to play the might of 'The Wednesday' Why make an exception to the inclusion of Tom Marsden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklord Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 hours ago, beloved_aunt said: One of the worst is commentators referring to Man U as "united" even when they're playing another team called united like Leeds or West Ham. Especially as there's only one United and that's in Sheffield. They are the original United, despite not being the original United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Waddle Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/18/2017 at 07:13, Ethel The Tree said: Personally, I don't think it's necessary As for the other lot ... If they feel the need to distinguish themselves from the other thirteen Uniteds currently dotted around English league football then let 'em get on with it There is only one Wednesday I agree. Our name is already unique and I'm proud we have Sheffield in our name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: Newspaper cuttings does not represent proof, only the subjective jottings of various journalists. 'Sheffield' was just a means of identifying where we were from. Yes Sheffield Wednesday Football Cricket, we all know who we are talking about, the fact remains the club was formed and registered as The Wednesday Cricket Club. Interlopers and outsiders would call us as their choosing if they tagged us 'Sheffield' prior to our 'official name change' that is entirely down to them. If we placed ads including the 'Sheffield' suffix and it helped clubs like Knaresborough understand who and what they were up against so much the better. I will add though, had they wanted to play the might of 'The Wednesday' Why make an exception to the inclusion of Tom Marsden. As an archaeologist and conservator who regularly uses archives I can promise you that literally hundreds of newspaper clippings saying the same thing constitutes proof. But we shall have to agree to disagree. The next time @dunsbyowl or @KivoOwl post a story from our history on here I fully expect you to tell them it isn't real because newspaper clippings are not evidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I used to do lectures with archaeologists and they were the single most irritating group of people I've ever met in my life. I do not think this constitutes proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, PopePiusX said: I used to do lectures with archaeologists and they were the single most irritating group of people I've ever met in my life. I do not think this constitutes proof. I meet irritating people from all walks of life, in all sorts of circumstances. I don't automatically pretend that all people within their profession, hobby or any other group they may be part of are irritating. I actually help people out from this forum all the time. Not for payment, not for anything but that I am able to and like to help other fellow owls. Comments like this sometimes make me question if I should bother, then I remember that not everyone is like you... And for the record, yet again I state that newspaper archives are 100% a legitimate material to reference, in journals, papers, lectures, books or any other professional or academic publication. So I'm certain they are adequate for a football forum chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighteen67 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 So would we then be TWFC or WFC? I think the biggest issue would be us not being SWFC any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beloved_aunt Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 We still singing "The Wednesday, clap, clap, clap" - wonder if any other songs have hung on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 43 minutes ago, Wild Will Smith said: I meet irritating people from all walks of life, in all sorts of circumstances. I don't automatically pretend that all people within their profession, hobby or any other group they may be part of are irritating. I actually help people out from this forum all the time. Not for payment, not for anything but that I am able to and like to help other fellow owls. Comments like this sometimes make me question if I should bother, then I remember that not everyone is like you... And for the record, yet again I state that newspaper archives are 100% a legitimate material to reference, in journals, papers, lectures, books or any other professional or academic publication. So I'm certain they are adequate for a football forum chat. Yep, they were just like that, all prissy. Relax, you great coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, PopePiusX said: Yep, they were just like that, all prissy. Relax, you great coin. There is only one of us coming out of this looking stupid and it isn't me, the one who openly invites others to pm me to help them wherever I can. It is you, the one trying desperately to appear all cool by mocking the poster who likes to help others. Well done. You pulled it off expertly. WAWAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Wild Will Smith said: There is only one of us coming out of this looking stupid and it isn't me, the one who openly invites others to pm me to help them wherever I can. It is you, the one trying desperately to appear all cool by mocking the poster who likes to help others. Well done. You pulled it off expertly. WAWAW. Just to clarify, are the PMs free? Do you do a lot of unseen charity work as well? Coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 somewhere in my loft I have a copy of the letter applying to officially change the name from The Wednesday to Sheffield Wednesday FC flip knows where it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, steelowl said: somewhere in my loft I have a copy of the letter applying to officially change the name from The Wednesday to Sheffield Wednesday FC flip knows where it is It's just underneath your roof. At the top of your stairs above the ceiling. There'll be a square cut out for you to climb through. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wild Will Smith said: As an archaeologist and conservator who regularly uses archives I can promise you that literally hundreds of newspaper clippings saying the same thing constitutes proof. But we shall have to agree to disagree. The next time @dunsbyowl or @KivoOwl post a story from our history on here I fully expect you to tell them it isn't real because newspaper clippings are not evidential. I never said that. It is an interesting post, Journalists will write what they will but if you feel like it Visit Sheffield Archives and ask for The Wednesday box, where you will find.... The Wednesday Cricket Club Minute book, hand written by the secretariat of the 1850's. As far as I'm aware it is the oldest genuine Wednesday document in existence. This and other documents and paraphernalia were supplied to The Wednesday Cricket Club of today by David Young of Ireland. ( The grandson of one of the former players in the early 20th C) and no, we don't like being called Sheffield Wednesday Cricket Club, we even had to lobby for a change to Mansfield & Region Sunday Cricket League annual year book because they missed the 'The' prefix. Edited January 19, 2017 by nevthelodgemoorowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: I never said that. It is an interesting post, Journalists will write what they will but if you feel like it Visit Sheffield Archives and ask for The Wednesday box, where you will find.... The Wednesday Cricket Club Minute book, hand written by the secretariat of the 1850's. As far as I'm aware it is the oldest genuine Wednesday document in existence. This and other documents and paraphernalia were supplied to The Wednesday Cricket Club of today and no, we don't like being called Sheffield Wednesday Cricket Club, we even had to lobby for a change to Mansfield & Region Sunday Cricket League annual year book because they missed the 'The' prefix. Brilliant book, brilliant evidence. Problem is, 1850 is decades after the name Sheffield Wedneadah Cricket Club had already been used by the club in paid for adverts in local press multiple times (when you place an advert you tend to decide what gets published) and by local newspapers reporting on games who had no specific reason to pointedly assure the people of Sheffield they were reporting on Sheffield Wednesday and not another high profile cricket club I. Sheffield by the same name. Perhaps this was a reason the club, decades later, wished to lobby people to use a specific name, for identity. Who knows. Unless minute books appear from the 1820s specifically stating they asked the papers to print an advert and noting angrily that the papers printed the wrong name we will never really know and newspaper clippings are a valuable tool in assessing what was what then. We would have to probably just agree that both the football and cricket clubs (and lesser known athletics club etc) all used The Wednesday but clearly were attributed various other monikers over the past almost 200 years. Best way to really view it I think. Otherwise round and round we go in circles. Edited January 19, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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