McRightSide Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Out of interest, have you ever played football? I'm not having a dig, honestly, I'm just curious to know if you did... as I suspect that if you were a defender you'd be viewing it differently. For me, defenders have to do two things: -Cover each other -Keep in line with each other as much as possible When Palmer gets beaten on that right hand side, and when the ball is out on that touchline on the right hand side, the whole defence will move as a unit and shift right. Otherwise if Palmer gets beaten by the player going around him, the attacker can come infield with the ball and attack the right side of the box... and the ball is more likely to be delivered to the near post/centre of box than the far... and even if it is delivered to far post, there will be time for the defensive line to shift left again to close the ball down In the above picture, you've got both Hutch and Loovens shifted well right. Hutch is probably about two yards too far right, meaning that Loovens is about too far right... Wiggins doesn't seem to have equaled how far they've moved across- hence part of the reason that there's a huge gap in defence. So ultimately, the whole defensive line's fault, minorly Hutch for going a couple of yards too far, but that's only minor... major issue with Wiggins not compensating and matching the rest of his back four. Now the biggy... the lack of a flat back four. Palmer, Hutch, Wiggins, all perfectly placed in terms of depth. Loovens is in no-man's land... a good 3/4 yards too far forward. Being out of position width wide by a couple of yards isn't too big a big deal... 'depth' wise it can really cause you problems. If he had been aligned with his back four, it's a simple interception and clearance. As has been said, poor defensive work all round, but for me, positionally speaking at least, the order of blame goes (from least to most culpable): Hutch, Wiggins, Loovens. No idea what a man of his experience is doing out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger Guns Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Sigh If Hutch does his job properly, Wildsmith could have been leaning on the post having a tab whilst Semedo sits chatting to the crowd. Many small errors, one critical one. Why is Hutchinson's poor positioning more critical than loovens' or semedo's? I could just as easily say to you if loovens is stood where he should be then Hutchinson could be stood chatting to the crowd. No one is more culpable than anyone else. Sougou didn't track back, Palmer didn't cut out the cross, hutch loovens and semedo were stood in the wrong place and Wiggins wasn't close enough to his man. Just a very poor goal all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan140177 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Why is Hutchinson's poor positioning more critical than loovens' or semedo's? I could just as easily say to you if loovens is stood where he should be then Hutchinson could be stood chatting to the crowd. No one is more culpable than anyone else. Sougou didn't track back, Palmer didn't cut out the cross, hutch loovens and semedo were stood in the wrong place and Wiggins wasn't close enough to his man. Just a very poor goal all round.hutch looked like he was in the best position to nullify the cross. Palmer's too far away to block it so Hutch should've closed him down, if this happened then Wiggins' positioning in the box wouldn't have mattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger Guns Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 hutch looked like he was in the best position to nullify the cross. Palmer's too far away to block it so Hutch should've closed him down, if this happened then Wiggins' positioning in the box wouldn't have mattered If wiggins' position in the box was correct hutchinson's wouldn't have mattered. All equally culpable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Why is Hutchinson's poor positioning more critical than loovens' or semedo's? I could just as easily say to you if loovens is stood where he should be then Hutchinson could be stood chatting to the crowd. No one is more culpable than anyone else. Sougou didn't track back, Palmer didn't cut out the cross, hutch loovens and semedo were stood in the wrong place and Wiggins wasn't close enough to his man. Just a very poor goal all round. Because his primary job is to be in that place and stop that ball. Anyway, points made on both sides. Don't want to dwell any further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Because his primary job is to be in that place and stop that ball. Anyway, points made on both sides. Don't want to dwell any further And Palmer's job is to prevent the cross coming in. He does that, the goal doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattitheowl Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I voted for Bannan. It's easy to give the prize to they guy who puts the ball in the net but Bannan has been a revelation in midfield. He's been fantastic in the last month too. Just not bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I voted for Bannan. It's easy to give the prize to they guy who puts the ball in the net but Bannan has been a revelation in midfield. He's been fantastic in the last month too. It's a pleasure to watch the boy. Vision, technique, short and long passing, if he could score more goals I doubt we'd have him. Been superb. Agree he might have been unlucky. But FF's form has also been superb - when we signed him I didn't expect such a good goals return to be honest. Thought he was more of a flair forward than a goalscorer. Really impressed. What I really like about the pair of them is that despite the 'flair' tag neither of them is afraid to put a shift in, close down, track back and do the ugly jobs too. Two excellent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 And Palmer's job is to prevent the cross coming in. He does that, the goal doesn't happen. I agree, but that's not the critical error ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Surprised that FF hasn't been nominated for League player of the month given what he's done. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Surprised that FF hasn't been nominated for League player of the month given what he's done. Again. Because SKY have banned us from having a winner this month probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I agree, but that's not the critical error ;) No, the critical error is by Wiggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Wiggins was bloody awful on Monday... Why are we talking about Wiggins in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 No, the critical error is by Wiggins Nope He's only involved because Hutch doesn't do his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Nope He's only involved because Hutch doesn't do his job The winger didn't score the goal with the cross, the man who got in front of Wiggins did. Therefore, Wiggins made the critical error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The winger didn't score the goal with the cross, the man who got in front of Wiggins did. Therefore, Wiggins made the critical error. With Hutch in position, the ball doesn't get there. Regardless of whether the cross is cut out by Palmer or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Probably just easier to blame Nuhiu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Probably just easier to blame Nuhiu. Good point FFS Nuhui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 With Hutch in position, the ball doesn't get there. Regardless of whether the cross is cut out by Palmer or not. There were some errors that led to a chance for Boro. There was 1 CRITICAL error that led to Stuani scoring. Wiggins losing him. It's ridiculous to suggest anyone else was more at fault than Wiggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) We can argue all day chaps. It's just terrible defending all around. One thing i am sure of is that when Carlos went through the debrief on Tuesday he won't have been singling one person out like we are. They'll all have had their ears bent I'm sure. Edited January 2, 2016 by Lord Snooty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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