Guest kylejswfc Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 FOOOOOOOK ME I genuinely, honestly cannot believe this kind of stuff is posted It's just bizarre... seriously.... I phrased that wrong I guess. What I meant was, I didn't think he was good enough last year to make the step up, whilst he was obviously good enough to play at League 1 level. Dave Jones has had many top goalscorers at this level in his teams over the years, he knows what it takes, and he obviously doesn't see Madine in that category. I'm fine with people liking him for non-footballing reasons, that's why I like him, it just grates on me when people refuse to accept that he isn't good enough to play at this level yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 What about the fact that it has changed. I said right at the start of the season that I bet he hadn't scored a league goal after 10 games, everyone shot me down. Here we are after 15 games... I can't even remember him having a shot on target. has he started ten games? must have missed that? he gets into the box far more often than COG does, and if you had seen Madine bully Hangeland (i think) against Fulham, you would realise he can cut it against higher division players. We seriously lack cutting edge, yet weve got loads of it in the squad. COG can bring the ball down all day long but in the end, hes usually outnumbered 4 against 1 and has no one to give the ball to. We need to start playing two strikers, and start going for teams like we did at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kylejswfc Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 *AGGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHGGGHHHHHH* By the same argument we should also hound Maguire out of the club forever too Maybe not forever, maybe somewhere to find his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty_owl Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 At a time when the NHS is cutting back on specialist services i would in your shoe's be vey worried about the obsesson that is slowly but surely becoming harde for you to ignore with every passing day. Forget Madine, and if im honest forget Bothroyd and COG, although i would put the latter street ahead of Madine for his work rate alone, but none of the current strikers at S6 have what would make us a success at this level, namely Quality. Can anyone translate that first sentence for me please?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kylejswfc Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 has he started ten games? must have missed that? he gets into the box far more often than COG does, and if you had seen Madine bully Hangeland (i think) against Fulham, you would realise he can cut it against higher division players. We seriously lack cutting edge, yet weve got loads of it in the squad. COG can bring the ball down all day long but in the end, hes usually outnumbered 4 against 1 and has no one to give the ball to. We need to start playing two strikers, and start going for teams like we did at the start of the season. It's irrelevant whether he has started 10 games or not, that wasn't my point. He isn't in the team for a reason. I am with you all on the matter of giving him a go, I don't see what harm it can do, but I just don't personally think he can hack it. I understand what you're saying RE Hangeland, I missed the game but I will take your word for it, but because he can do it every now and again doesn't make him good enough to play at this level in my opinion. I do agree that he can do it, I have seen him do it, but it doesn't make him good enough. I could "do it" back in my day, once every 6 weeks. It wasn't good enough. That's just how it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I said right at the start of the season that I bet he hadn't scored a league goal after 10 games, everyone shot me down. Here we are after 15 games... I can't even remember him having a shot on target. It's irrelevant whether he has started 10 games or not Fooook me Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowl84 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Madine is our best striker, but in a 4-4-2 that provides crosses. However; that's looking unlikely to happen at the minute. The make-up of the rest of the team isn't right for it. We obviously need Semedo in front of the back four to allow for Barkley to go forward, it looks like Bothroyd HAS to play when fit doesn't it; added to the fact we don't have a natural left-sided winger who will get to the touchline and put in the crosses Madine could/would thrive on. It's just not the right situation for him at the moment - through absolutely no fault of his own. At a different Championship side he could be doing well I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) I'd seriously go with bothroyd and Madine Friday night in a 4-4-2 with Antonio down the left and Barkley on the right and allow him to wander Edited November 7, 2012 by Maddogbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It's irrelevant whether he has started 10 games or not, that wasn't my point. He isn't in the team for a reason. I am with you all on the matter of giving him a go, I don't see what harm it can do, but I just don't personally think he can hack it. I understand what you're saying RE Hangeland, I missed the game but I will take your word for it, but because he can do it every now and again doesn't make him good enough to play at this level in my opinion. I do agree that he can do it, I have seen him do it, but it doesn't make him good enough. I could "do it" back in my day, once every 6 weeks. It wasn't good enough. That's just how it is... Its not though, is it? Thats the whole point, he was injured at the start, then had to get back to fitness, and this is the first time hes been fit and ready and isnt getting a start. Very unfair to judge his goalscoring without considering how much game time hes actually had. Hes certainly not had as much as COG or Bothroyd, as far as im aware, who arent exactly banging them in. The reason he isnt in the team isnt as clear to the rest of us obviously. Its quite likely because we have reverted to this 4-1-4-1 formation, but at the moment we could stick Van Persie upfront and he would struggle to score. the strikers arent getting enough supply and are too isolated, and once again are having to take the ball with their back to goal near the half way line far too often. Madine by himself might not be the full answer, but Madine and ANother probably would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 We went 4-5-1 COG was being screamed for by the fans and technically fits the bill for that formation Madine has no chance whilst we're playing 4-5-1 For him to succeed he needs crosses He'd have had a great time last night though - the number of crosses that went into nobody up front was incredible - he'd have bagged a couple deffo Yep, he's a box man and needs the ball in to him. At the moment, we are relying on Antonio and Barkley and our "striker" is only there to win flick ons and generally bash people about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty_owl Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 All this testicles about Madine, falling over all the time and backing into defenders, giving fouls away is complete and utter tripe. He may try to be a bit clever in order to win a free-kick in a good position but what good striker would not do that. Just for the record during last season, in all games including cup and league, the following applies:- Fouls Committed = 54 Fouls Suffered = 76 Compare this to the hardworking but less intelligent COG:- Fouls Committed = 44 Fouls Suffered = 33 So, based on this, and where these free kicks are normally awarded for these type, which player is of more benefit to the team?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubled123456 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 You're wrong Madine is a proven goalscorer There's been no evidence this season to suggest that has changed And whilst everyone's fannying around with other strikers/formations - Madine's just stood there in the wings waiting for his chance... A proven goalscorer in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 A proven goalscorer in L1. By that reckoning we should boot Antonio, Semedo, JJ, Llera and co out too I really wish people would stop slagging players without thinking about it first Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kylejswfc Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Its not though, is it? Thats the whole point, he was injured at the start, then had to get back to fitness, and this is the first time hes been fit and ready and isnt getting a start. Very unfair to judge his goalscoring without considering how much game time hes actually had. Hes certainly not had as much as COG or Bothroyd, as far as im aware, who arent exactly banging them in. The reason he isnt in the team isnt as clear to the rest of us obviously. Its quite likely because we have reverted to this 4-1-4-1 formation, but at the moment we could stick Van Persie upfront and he would struggle to score. the strikers arent getting enough supply and are too isolated, and once again are having to take the ball with their back to goal near the half way line far too often. Madine by himself might not be the full answer, but Madine and ANother probably would. Half agree with you. If it's unclear as to why he isn't in the team it's probably because the gaffer doesn't fancy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxing_day Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Half agree with you. If it's unclear as to why he isn't in the team it's probably because the gaffer doesn't fancy him. Earlier in the season when madine wasn't fit and cog was in form jones was intent on trying to get cog out and get madine in. Now cogs forms dropped and madine is fit and chopping at the bit (based on Saturdays 20minutes) he won't put madine back in. It's bizarre. After cogs performance Saturday madine should have had a chance last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 All this testicles about Madine, falling over all the time and backing into defenders, giving fouls away is complete and utter tripe. He may try to be a bit clever in order to win a free-kick in a good position but what good striker would not do that. Just for the record during last season, in all games including cup and league, the following applies:- Fouls Committed = 54 Fouls Suffered = 76 Compare this to the hardworking but less intelligent COG:- Fouls Committed = 44 Fouls Suffered = 33 So, based on this, and where these free kicks are normally awarded for these type, which player is of more benefit to the team?? just to chuck in the mix, btw, COG should be getting a lot more fouls against him given than he is doing. Leeds being a prime example. COG started the season on fire, but i think it helped that we were playing far more attacking, he wasnt being isolated and other players were getting on the end of his flick ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls66 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Gary Madine, Always on his arse machine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 wouldn't have said this a few weeks ago but madine HAS to start on friday, the 4-5-1 with COG up top has run it's course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls66 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 What's this because he's a "Megson's player" talk about? Sorry, have I missed some beef between Megson and Jones? Those who foolishly believe that Jones doesn't like a certain player because his apparent arch nemesis signed a certain player - just please refrain from posting absolute tripe. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassy knoll Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I would prefer madine to start in a 442! BUT 451 with madine uptop and jj and antonio providing crosses from the wings could also work but this would only work with antonio and jj on the flanks,not antonio and bothroyd ! Bothroyd is not suited out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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